natural talent or practice talent you decide, this should settle it

Walter Lindrum, probably the greatest cueist that ever lived didn't believe in natural talent. He was quoted as saying "billiards players are made - not born"

When asked if he thought anyone would achieve what he did he said quite simply "no, because I honestly don't think anyone wants to put in the time and dedication that I have".

Lindrum was a practice demon, practicing the same shot for 8+ hours at a time. Even after he was world champion he kept up his intense practice sessions. He was adamant that it was this reason alone that elevated him above his other fellow pros.

He dominated English Billiards to a degree that was astounding. Joe Davis his arch rival (if you even want to count it as a rivalry) quit billiards and popularized snooker because he knew he'd never stand a chance against Lindrum.
 
Natural talent vs. practice. This is a debate that will never end. Nor should it.
 
either way you look at it....

the importance of one little positive experience in the mind of a child, can
start a snowball rolling down the mountain that can't be stopped. The learning capacity of a child without the counterforces that jade us with experience are amazing.

A young mind is not something to waste!! One word, or one action can start it all.

td
 
Okay..I am now convinced that a person with no special physical talent who practiced for years like Tommy Kennedy will never beat a one in a million natural born talent like Johnny Archer to win a major tournament.

Ummmm......

Russ


Russ,

Tommy paid his dues, he wasnt helpless the day he started like I was. I have a friend who is 23ish, he plays good tennis, basketball yet he is the most awaward clubsey guy. He plays pool 20 times worse than I spell.


I believe we all have a different starting point and ending points in out game, some guys reach it earily like Rempe, some guys play great later in life like Le Bron. Some get there fast, some slow but steadily get better. some stall out.

I watched it on ESPN(i think) when Tommy won, may have been a VHS tape its been so long ago and he did beat JA, stuck him up real good. And I have awalys loved that story-infact when I was out of pool I forgot he played JA, I just remembered Tommy winning. I was rooming with JA when that topic came up and JA reminded me he lost to tommy. It was a tough loss for JA, a piece of history for pool.


Were all different, and things happen in tournements. JA is, was and awalys will be the favorite over Tommy. But not that night. I kinda went off my point, but evertthing is different for each one of us.

take care,
eric:)
 
Russ,

Tommy paid his dues, he wasnt helpless the day he started like I was. I have a friend who is 23ish, he plays good tennis, basketball yet he is the most awaward clubsey guy. He plays pool 20 times worse than I spell.


I believe we all have a different starting point and ending points in out game, some guys reach it earily like Rempe, some guys play great later in life like Le Bron. Some get there fast, some slow but steadily get better. some stall out.

I watched it on ESPN(i think) when Tommy won, may have been a VHS tape its been so long ago and he did beat JA, stuck him up real good. And I have awalys loved that story-infact when I was out of pool I forgot he played JA, I just remembered Tommy winning. I was rooming with JA when that topic came up and JA reminded me he lost to tommy. It was a tough loss for JA, a piece of history for pool.


Were all different, and things happen in tournements. JA is, was and awalys will be the favorite over Tommy. But not that night. I kinda went off my point, but evertthing is different for each one of us.

take care,
eric:)

eric,

did you get my email, brudda? :D

Russ
 
Russ,

Tommy paid his dues, he wasnt helpless the day he started like I was. I have a friend who is 23ish, he plays good tennis, basketball yet he is the most awaward clubsey guy. He plays pool 20 times worse than I spell.


I believe we all have a different starting point and ending points in out game, some guys reach it earily like Rempe, some guys play great later in life like Le Bron. Some get there fast, some slow but steadily get better. some stall out.

I watched it on ESPN(i think) when Tommy won, may have been a VHS tape its been so long ago and he did beat JA, stuck him up real good. And I have awalys loved that story-infact when I was out of pool I forgot he played JA, I just remembered Tommy winning. I was rooming with JA when that topic came up and JA reminded me he lost to tommy. It was a tough loss for JA, a piece of history for pool.


Were all different, and things happen in tournements. JA is, was and awalys will be the favorite over Tommy. But not that night. I kinda went off my point, but evertthing is different for each one of us.

take care,
eric:)

Tommy went hill-hill with Cavin Coker in the first round that year. He then defeated Jimmy Fusco, Francisco Bustamante, Jim Rempe, Mike Lebron, Buddy Hall, Johnny Archer and then Archer again.

In the hot-seat match, Johnny tossed in the towel when Tommy got on his match winning 9 ball.

This sent Johnny over to the one loss side where he had to wait for the winner of the Buddy Hall - Jose Parica Match.

Johnny ended up playing Parica.

It was a close match, until Jose had an 8 ball skid off target - and Johnny closed out that match - and off to the finals he went.

Tommy just locked Johnny up all match - Johnny never really had a chance or a shot after the first 2 games.

Tommy is one of my best friends and he knows this because I have said this to him many times... if Parica beat Johnny Archer that day - things would have been different. Eric, I remember you and I discussed that once in a phone conversation.

However, Tommy did win. He beat a host of Hall of Famers to do it. Prior to the 1992 US Open, TK had been winning a lot on the Florida Tour. He had tried his luck on the pro tour a few years earlier, and decided he wasn't ready yet. When he felt ready to play on the pro tour, he won a US Open 3 months into it. He was no stranger, no cupcake, and IMO he still plays the game as well as any of the guys he defeated that week.

Since he was a very young kid, Tommy has loved the game of pool - he was determined and perfected his craft for YEARS before anybody ever heard of him - don't believe me - just ask him - he's the most approachable guy you will ever meet.
 
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