need advice on Joss on ebay

I don't profess to be a cue pro. There are many on here that can give you a better opinion. I bought one almost like that on EBay before. Can't remember exactly what I paid but it was somewhere around this one IIRC.

I would say that you are very close to max bid on this one already. I wouldn't pay more for it myself. But thats just me and I have my limits on certain cues when I am bidding. It is an older cue and looks to be in good shape so that may make a difference in asking price.
I'm almost sure that it plays well too.

Its is one thing to pay a bit more for something if that is what your heart desires but I also consider what resale is going to be for me in case I don't like it and need to move it. I would prefer not to lose money on a cue deal. I've been known to break even minus shipping costs that you can't get away from or lose 50 or so but that won't break my heart or the bank either.

A very nice cue by the way. Good luck.
 
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I could only say what I would bid on it (if I wanted it) as it might be worth a lot more to someone who fancied the Joss cues. That would be 400-450 tops, because it is a somewhat older Joss. Anything above that I myself would be looking at a fancier Joss cue. Looks to be in good shape by the pics. And I am sure hits as good as any Joss cue...
 
Joss

Great cue and great az forum seller...pm him and see if he has a but it now before he has to leave it to the auction...
 
At a current bid of $260 I wouldn't bid any more on this one especially if I was looking to flip it. On the other hand, if it "the one" you've been waiting for as a player, or collectible to keep, maybe a bit more.
 
Well,someone must really want this one,as it's up to $340 now.It's a nice looking one,but for that much,I could get a brand new Joss,with more inlays.I do like the look of the older Josses with the big white buttcup,though.
 
leto1776 said:
Well,someone must really want this one,as it's up to $340 now.It's a nice looking one,but for that much,I could get a brand new Joss,with more inlays.I do like the look of the older Josses with the big white buttcup,though.
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It does not surprise me that it has gone that high, and I think it will go higher too.


Yes, you can get a brand new JOSS. If you are considering that, then why are you looking at a mid-eighties cue? It isn't just about what they look like after all, is it?

Granted there are deals to be found on old JOSS cues. But generally if you want one on the open market you need to be prepared to step up to the plate and pay for what is truly a legendary shooter. If you want that particular cue, you see where the price is going.


Even at $100 above the current high bid I think such cues are some of the best values going. I think it's hard to explain why one would buy a new cue in this price range when such cues as this are available.

Then again I dig old motorcycles too and don't understand people who go to dealerships and buy new ones. :wink:

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'85 Joss

From your posts, I am assuming you do not intend to flip the cue. What you see on eBay is likely to be what the market will bear for such a cue. So from that perspective IMO, you should bid if you intend to keep the cue.

You need to decide what you value. Personally, at similar cost, this cue vs. a new Joss is a no brainer. Also, I strongly prefer cues without inlays, so this cue against a new cue with inlays wouldn't be a consideration. Personally, I like the colors and overall look of this cue. Interesting that the butt cap is white, while my '85 Joss is definitely yellow (not Delrin). Either material is highly protective against accidental bumps in the pool room. But I am not buying a cue; you are.

For me, the over/under for deciding to bid would be if you like traditional shafts at 12.45 mm. That would definitely be too thin for me. If you intend to buy a new shaft, add $200-250 to the expected cost. That would put you in the $550-600 range before it's all over. At that price, you have a lot of options for some nice customs that are floating around AZB currently or will likely show up soon. This Joss might still be the cue for you, but you will need to think more broadly at that point.

Good luck. Sounds like you'll be a winner, no matter what you decide.
 
Chopdoc said:
It does not surprise me that it has gone that high, and I think it will go higher too.


Yes, you can get a brand new JOSS. If you are considering that, then why are you looking at a mid-eighties cue? It isn't just about what they look like after all, is it?

Granted there are deals to be found on old JOSS cues. But generally if you want one on the open market you need to be prepared to step up to the plate and pay for what is truly a legendary shooter. If you want that particular cue, you see where the price is going.


Even at $100 above the current high bid I think such cues are some of the best values going. I think it's hard to explain why one would buy a new cue in this price range when such cues as this are available.

Then again I dig old motorcycles too and don't understand people who go to dealerships and buy new ones. :wink:

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If you'd pay $400 for that Joss, how much would you pay for a early 90s Limited? :D

I may be putting mine up for sale to pay for my son's Jr National trip to Vegas.
 
I have almost that exact cue...one level higher, with notched MOP diamonds in the butt. It's a monster...I used it as a break cue for 15 years, then gave it to my son with a new shaft as his player...already regret doing that, I tried to tell him I only lent it to him, but he's having none of that. I'd go $400-$450 if I wanted it as a player...IIRC, that cue sold for about $350 retail in 1985, maybe as high as $400. Not sure I'd go that high if I was "investing" in a scheme to flip it, though. You'd have to find a Joss fanatic that really wanted that model, instead of some of the fancier models from that era. The Joss cues from the '80s hit really, really nice...that was the era when Sigel and Varner were shooting with them. I retired that Joss for a high end Schon in 1994...not sure it was much of an improvement in hit/playability.
 
Chopdoc said:
It does not surprise me that it has gone that high, and I think it will go higher too.


Yes, you can get a brand new JOSS. If you are considering that, then why are you looking at a mid-eighties cue? It isn't just about what they look like after all, is it?

Granted there are deals to be found on old JOSS cues. But generally if you want one on the open market you need to be prepared to step up to the plate and pay for what is truly a legendary shooter. If you want that particular cue, you see where the price is going.


Even at $100 above the current high bid I think such cues are some of the best values going. I think it's hard to explain why one would buy a new cue in this price range when such cues as this are available.

Then again I dig old motorcycles too and don't understand people who go to dealerships and buy new ones. :wink:

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I definitely get what you're saying,as I have two other Joss cues from that era,and they do play great.Not as nice condition as this one,either.

It would definitely be getting played,as I don't believe in buying anything functional and letting it sit.

I see what others are saying about the shaft,as I'm used to the standard size Joss shaft.I think I'll have to pass on this one for now.Money's getting tight, and Joss cues fromthis era do show up frequently enough. I was just honestly surprised how high the price got,compared to what I got for my others on ebay.
 
hang-the-9 said:
If you'd pay $400 for that Joss, how much would you pay for a early 90s Limited? :D

I may be putting mine up for sale to pay for my son's Jr National trip to Vegas.
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I have never paid more than $200 for a used cue....so I am likely not a customer.



I am a bargain hunter. I comb Ebay, flea markets, garage sales, and Craigs list among other things.

Once I earn a little more financial freedom I might be a customer for such a cue. But I would likely still primarily be a bargain hunter.

A lot of the thrill for me is in the hunt.

I already have great examples of JOSS cues, but not from the eighties, so I will be looking to fill that gap at some point.



Personally, I wouldn't be willing to pay $400 for that cue anyway. But I do think that's around where the current market value puts it, give or take a little.




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West Point 1987 said:
I have almost that exact cue...one level higher, with notched MOP diamonds in the butt. It's a monster...I used it as a break cue for 15 years, then gave it to my son with a new shaft as his player...already regret doing that, I tried to tell him I only lent it to him, but he's having none of that. I'd go $400-$450 if I wanted it as a player...IIRC, that cue sold for about $350 retail in 1985, maybe as high as $400. Not sure I'd go that high if I was "investing" in a scheme to flip it, though. You'd have to find a Joss fanatic that really wanted that model, instead of some of the fancier models from that era. The Joss cues from the '80s hit really, really nice...that was the era when Sigel and Varner were shooting with them. I retired that Joss for a high end Schon in 1994...not sure it was much of an improvement in hit/playability.
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It's not an investment cue obviously, but is strong value retainer. The price range puts it smack dab in the middle of the road for a really strong player though, and I think that's hard to argue with.

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cueaddicts said:
I think it's maxed out.....rounded points and less than 12.5mm shaft.
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I didn't see the shaft diameter when I first read it. With it under 12.5 I think you are right on it being maxed out unless somebody wants it that really likes a thin shaft.


Just subtract the value of a shaft to get the market value....so I think we are about there.

Very good point on the shaft. :thumbup:



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leto1776 said:
I definitely get what you're saying,as I have two other Joss cues from that era,and they do play great.Not as nice condition as this one,either.

It would definitely be getting played,as I don't believe in buying anything functional and letting it sit.

I see what others are saying about the shaft,as I'm used to the standard size Joss shaft.I think I'll have to pass on this one for now.Money's getting tight, and Joss cues fromthis era do show up frequently enough. I was just honestly surprised how high the price got,compared to what I got for my others on ebay.
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Yeah, that shaft diameter is a glitch for sure.

Prices are funny on Ebay. There are bargains to be had for sure. I saw a beautiful old JOSS Custom with two shafts go for about $200. That's less than the shafts are worth, and it was in great shape and not a bottom of the line cue by any means.

Watch and wait if you want another one....they come up.




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Very true,Chop Doc.hey,can you help me out,as one of the resident Joss"experts?" I hvae a new thread in the cue & case gallery forum,need help identifying two Joss ebay finds.
 
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