NEED HELP with a Phenolic Tip/Ferrule Installation

ashmouth

ashmouth

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I purchased some phenolic 1 piece tips/ferrules and attempted to put one on my break cue last night with my CueSmith lathe.

Since the ferrule is oversized vs. the shaft, I did as I always do and cut the ferrule down with my round nose tool bit. I only took off about .5 mm of material and after doing this, the ferrule looked horrible with a bunch of uneven patches where the layers showed through. Some areas were even had spots that were gouged out. Attempting to rough sand and finish sand the ferrule didn't fix the problem so I ended up cutting it off in disgust.

Does this happen with all phenolic tip/ferrules or did I get a bad product?

Is there something I can do alleviate this problem during installation?

Please help!
 
ashmouth said:
I purchased some phenolic 1 piece tips/ferrules and attempted to put one on my break cue last night with my CueSmith lathe.

Since the ferrule is oversized vs. the shaft, I did as I always do and cut the ferrule down with my round nose tool bit. I only took off about .5 mm of material and after doing this, the ferrule looked horrible with a bunch of uneven patches where the layers showed through. Some areas were even had spots that were gouged out. Attempting to rough sand and finish sand the ferrule didn't fix the problem so I ended up cutting it off in disgust.

Does this happen with all phenolic tip/ferrules or did I get a bad product?

Is there something I can do alleviate this problem during installation?

Please help!
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They need to have finish put on them after. I would also not use a round nose cutter but a cutter with an angled leading point ground with a small relief. The round nose cutter is doing more tearing then cutting. Are you using HSS or carbide? It is good to have some HSS bits around you can custom grind for certain jobs, sometimes you have to expernment to find what works best.
 
ashmouth said:
I purchased some phenolic 1 piece tips/ferrules and attempted to put one on my break cue last night with my CueSmith lathe.

Since the ferrule is oversized vs. the shaft, I did as I always do and cut the ferrule down with my round nose tool bit. I only took off about .5 mm of material and after doing this, the ferrule looked horrible with a bunch of uneven patches where the layers showed through. Some areas were even had spots that were gouged out. Attempting to rough sand and finish sand the ferrule didn't fix the problem so I ended up cutting it off in disgust.

Does this happen with all phenolic tip/ferrules or did I get a bad product?

Is there something I can do alleviate this problem during installation?

Please help!
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Without actually seeing it, it's hard to say what the problem is. It may be the material, or it may be the cutting tool being dull (I assume not since you've done this before with that cutting tool).

I've used the round nosed tool before and had no trouble with it. Just make sure it's sharp, and just as important, that it's elevated slightly below the center of the ferrule (just a few thousandths). If it's too high, or too low, you can get chatter.
 
Thank you all for your feedback... I will try another one tonight with a new angled righthand tool bit using multiple small passes.

Some folks mentioned that they need to be finished afterward or to use CA to fill any small holes.

Pardon my ignorance but what is CA and where can I get it?
 
CA is thin super glue. If you make small passes like you plan, you should have no problems. leave it a slight bit oversized and then sand it lightly with 400, 600 and so on til it has a ice finish and is flush with the shaft, put a little sealer on it, polish it and away you go. Good luck.

Happiness Mark
 
I use right a left hand bits also. I have used the round noses, but they seem to dull faster, and can cause some pitting issues. I still have to finish and polish the ferrule afterwards also, like mentioned. I also like to seal problem materials with a thin coat of CA, but more so with white colors that the sanding dust likes to get into pits and stain, but I've used It on phenolic also.
You do have to watch the sanding dust on black because it can stain the maple if unsealed. 2 things that help are to be generous By using a clean piece of paper, and I try to sand toward the tip as much as possible to keep the dust away from the maple.

Greg
 
phenolic tipa

I have been cutting them down for quite some time now with my router. It only takes a couple of minutes and is perfictly smooth when done. You can cut it right down to the shaft. I do this with all my ferules. Butterflcues
 
butterflycues said:
I have been cutting them down for quite some time now with my router. It only takes a couple of minutes and is perfictly smooth when done. You can cut it right down to the shaft. I do this with all my ferules. Butterflcues
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Butterflycues,

May i ask what router bit you are using for this?

Thanks in advance,

Jon
 
Can anyone give me some info on where i can purchase this CA super glue? I went to Home Depot over the weekend and came up empty.

Thanks,
Brian
 
ashmouth said:
Can anyone give me some info on where i can purchase this CA super glue? I went to Home Depot over the weekend and came up empty.

Thanks,
Brian
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The "CA" is an acronym for cyanoacrylate, otherwise known as 'super glue'. I believe that the 'original' mass marketed CA glue was branded "Crazy Glue". There should be several brands at Home Depot, it's near impossible that the do not carry the stuff. I've seen it in grocery stores, gas stations, and convenience stores, so it would really suprise me if Home Depot doesn't have the stuff.

Dave
 
Cuedog said:
Hey Joey, Why do you use this stuff in lieu of say, LocTite 454? Thanks,

Gene
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Not for tips.
I use the thinnest CA to coat fibre ferrules and to whick in on some wood rings' faces before epoxying them.
I only use 454 on tips now. I've had it with all other glues.
 
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