Need Help With Harvey Martin/ Bert Schrager -Apprentice/Cuemaker Tree
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Is Al Romero "Little Al" from Hartimes??
I won't bother Bert with a phone call if he is not feeling well.
I won't bother Bert with a phone call if he is not feeling well.
Please do not add my name, I am not a cue builder and that's what this tree is about "Cue Makers Tree"...whom has learned/influenced from whom. Since I have not continued making cues, it would just mess up the list. But my last name is Gross.
Seeing this list is a lot of fun for me since I have had the pleasure of meeting Harvey Martin, spending 2 afternoons with him and having worked briefly with Bert. Harvey was good friends w/Allen Gilbert, the great 3-cushion player. Harvey watched us play for a whole afternoon once at someone's home and...
Being w/Harvey Martin was like spending time w/my grandfather. He once he took me to the hardware store and helped me buy glue (yellow wood glue), knife and sharpening stone for tip work, then we went to his apartment and he showed me how he retipped a cue. He used to retip all the great billiard players shafts back in the 40s/50s. I still get that warm feeling thinking and typing about it. That was a memory I will never forget. I wish I had one of his cues.
Dave
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Hi Dave,
Bert and Pat have mentioned you many times during our conversations!!
I think I remember Bert saying that he had a partially finished cue that he was working on for you. Did you ever get one??
I did end up calling Pat just to make sure Bert was Ok. He had a bladder infection and is doing much better!!
Russ....
Bert and Pat have mentioned you many times during our conversations!!
I think I remember Bert saying that he had a partially finished cue that he was working on for you. Did you ever get one??
I did end up calling Pat just to make sure Bert was Ok. He had a bladder infection and is doing much better!!
Russ....
There's a joke in there somewhere...
Why am I not surprised it was you to make the comment. I just learned there's a Gabriel billiard table in the senior's center in Greeley, about 1/2 hour from me. I might check it out one day.
Again, thanks for the "wood" reference :thumbup:
Dave
Dammit. I tried to censor myself too. Honestly!
Fail!
Fail!
Hi Dave,
Bert and Pat have mentioned you many times during our conversations!!
I think I remember Bert saying that he had a partially finished cue that he was working on for you. Did you ever get one??
I did end up calling Pat just to make sure Bert was Ok. He had a bladder infection and is doing much better!!
Russ....
Russ,
I'm not sure when your conversation took place. I have a cue that Bert made for me in the late 80's, which I still have. And I had him make me a sneaky cue which has a fanastic shaft - I'm guessing that was in the mid 90's. But that's it. Maybe he was making me one as a surprise :thumbup:. But if so, that would never be finished.
The cue I got from him in the late 80's I carelessly hit the wrap portion against the edge of a frieds lathe while showing him and it made a big a$$ dent in the leather wrap. But the wrap felt so good I didn't want to mess with it so it's been there since the beginning. Now it's truly a 1-of-a-kind.
. Bert did one of the best pigskin leather wraps in the business back then.Dave
Russ,
I'm not sure when your conversation took place. I have a cue that Bert made for me in the late 80's, which I still have. And I had him make me a sneaky cue which has a fanastic shaft - I'm guessing that was in the mid 90's. But that's it. Maybe he was making me one as a surprise :thumbup:. But if so, that would never be finished.
The cue I got from him in the late 80's I carelessly hit the wrap portion against the edge of a frieds lathe while showing him and it made a big a$$ dent in the leather wrap. But the wrap felt so good I didn't want to mess with it so it's been there since the beginning. Now it's truly a 1-of-a-kind.
Dave
Hmmmmmm.. maybe I shouldn't have said anything
I have pictures of his last 6 cues, 4 of which I bought. One was for one of Lou's daughters, a purple heart cue and the other/last I thought was for you.
I'll ask Pat next time I visit them, which should be soon.
Best,
Russ...
Matt Bender is Mike Bender brother and replace Mike at Omega/DPK in 1991. Matt credit Both His brother and Dpk.
Al Romero [Lil AL of Hardtime Billiard] was a friend of Tad and visit his shop and learn lot from Tad.
Most information fron The Blue Book of Pool Cue and Internet, Cuemaker Website.
As I stated earlier this a work in progress and may not 100% correct. And some apprenctice under other Cuemaker. Shh!!! how many remember or knew Dieckman working with Stout in 1991 in North Carolina?
Again thank all!
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Ok Dave I will honor your request for now. That the other part I will be working on Other people who work for these Cuemaker.
Just as Bill Johnson does Dieckman Inlay, but have built his own cue.
Bob Watson
I didn't know his first name was Kenneth, but I believe Stu's last name is Mortson, not Mortenson. He did pantograph work for Bert and others and lastly with Ray Schuler. He's made some very fancy cues. He came to cuemaking late in life and is now 84 years old. I played billiards with him recently. He's full of good stories.
Rich93, "Blue Book of Pool Cue", page 542, show Stu Mortenson, write up have Kenneth. I will do a search with Stu Mortson, to see what come up. Everything else I agree with. Thank for your input.
Here another Sample of how the apprentice cuemaker tree will be broken down.
Again this not 100% correct or done. It's work in progress.
Again this not 100% correct or done. It's work in progress.
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Newness update
Newness update. Does anyone remember Doug Ketchum and what he doing now?
Wow, that name sounds familiar!
Did Doug work with Bert Schrager for a little while??
He was from back east?
I think I remember Bert mentioning him....
does anyone have pics of H martins cases? i wanna do a tribute Martin case
Phillip, check here http://www.chalkers.com/id496.htm
Be happy to or you may use what here.
Poolhustler, read what Chris [cueman] posted
Schrager's apprentice list and Kersenbrock's apprentice list would be huge. Some people do not want it to be known who they got training from, so I won't list names. Bob Meucci's apprentice list would be huge also. But I could add a lot to your list if I felt it was kosher to do so. By apprentice I mean people who spent some time getting training from them whether it be a day or two or a year or two. David travelled all over the country training people in their own shops. Another Schrager apprentice that has done the same is Dale Hoke, but almost no one gives him any credit for the training he gave them. So since no one else gives Dale much credit I will say he taught me how to use a pantograph and make patterns and spent a summer with me once. Years before that he also taught me how to install tips by hand back in the 80's. His ability to install flawless burnished tips by hand got him the nick name Cue-Tip Dale. Even though he showed me the tricks to it, I never got as good at installing them by hand as he was, so I moved on to using a lathe a year or so later, and he moved to California and worked with Bert.
I have taught many tricks to other cuemakers and they have taught me many tricks also, so I guess we all kinda apprentice with each other. Sometimes we are the teacher and other times we are the apprentice. We just change hats momentarily.
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Chris
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So this Tree may never get done.
Bob
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