Need joint and ferrule material advise.

[coochieman57]

I'm having a cue built and have decided on a flat face with a radial pin. I've been told that the linen resin type material "like Southwest uses" is made two ways. 1. multi layered, 2. with the linen mostly on the outer surface. But was told that they have a tendency to separate over time. I find it a little hard to believe, but your opinions please. How many people make this stuff??? I'm looking for a cue with good feed back but still a medium to medium soft hit. Also what types of materials play closest to Ivory? Also was told that Ivory is very unpredictable?? My questions are just getting started, but this is enough for now. Thanks.

 

[GBCues]

"I'm having a cue built" - so did you ask your cue maker?

Gary

 

[galipeau]

Most synthetics out there are very strong and durable. Anything from buckhorn to juma to the phenolic you mentioned will hold up just fine. The joint material will likely not affect your game tremendously. As long as it is a solid material and looks good, you will be set. If you are unsure, you can always let the cuemaker decide what he thinks is best.

 

[coochieman57]

Yes I did ask my cue maker. Now I'm seeking other opinions.
I had hopped for a few more.
Thanks

 

[KJ Cues]

Yes I did ask my cue maker. Now I'm seeking other opinions.
I had hopped for a few more.
Thanks

Here's the problem with 'opinions'; everybody's got one.
There's no guarantee that even one of them is correct.
Instead of feeding off the misinformation you've received so far,
I'd suggest that you do some independent research so as to educate yourself rather
than relying on the opinions from those that happen to be on the forum at the time.

You're already second-guessing your cue-maker by coming here 'hopping' for more opinions.
(BTW, there's only one 'P' in 'hoping' unless you actually are leaving the ground.)
Let me put it this way; If I were your selected CM and you came to me with the
'opinions' you've garnered from the random 'CMs' you've found here on AZB,
I'd be asking you in what form would you like your deposit returned, cash or check?

KJ

 

[RBC]

I'm having a cue built and have decided on a flat face with a radial pin. I've been told that the linen resin type material "like Southwest uses" is made two ways. 1. multi layered, 2. with the linen mostly on the outer surface. But was told that they have a tendency to separate over time. I find it a little hard to believe, but your opinions please. How many people make this stuff??? I'm looking for a cue with good feed back but still a medium to medium soft hit. Also what types of materials play closest to Ivory? Also was told that Ivory is very unpredictable?? My questions are just getting started, but this is enough for now. Thanks.

The material that you are referring to is linen or canvas phenolic in either a rolled rod or rolled tube. To be honest, I don't think any of them hit any different than any other. The specifications of the materials are all very close to each other, and the materials role in how a cue plays is just a part of the whole puzzle. How it's used is a different story.

The alarming thing about your post is that you seem to have a certain expectation of the cue to come. An expectation that you feel is tied to this material, but in fact is really the result of many, many different things.

If your expectations of the hit are that high, I would recommend that you only buy a cue that know how it hits. Basically, try it before you buy it. That way you won't place an order, wait the time to build it, and then be disappointed by something that no one could have predicted anyway. Remember, that hit is extremely subjective. What hits good to you may be bad to others and vice versa.


Just a little friendly advice. Take it as you wish.


Royce

 

[cueman]

I'm having a cue built and have decided on a flat face with a radial pin. I've been told that the linen resin type material "like Southwest uses" is made two ways. 1. multi layered, 2. with the linen mostly on the outer surface. But was told that they have a tendency to separate over time. I find it a little hard to believe, but your opinions please. How many people make this stuff??? I'm looking for a cue with good feed back but still a medium to medium soft hit. Also what types of materials play closest to Ivory? Also was told that Ivory is very unpredictable?? My questions are just getting started, but this is enough for now. Thanks.

The linen or canvas goes all the way through on both kinds. One way is rolled and the other way is molded. My opinion may be wrong, but I am under the impression canvas phenolic is normally laid out in sheets flat. And that Linen is normally rolled. Both are strong enough for joints. Canvas is stronger for ferrules. Both hit pretty much the same, but linen looks better. Ivory is not a medium soft feeling hit. It is a harder hit. Nothing plays like Ivory. Some things look like Ivory, but do not play like Ivory. Ivory is only unpredictable in that you never know when or if it will crack.

 

[Paul Dayton]

Whatever the material. canvas, linen or paper, they are all soaked in phenols, then pressed and heated until cured. Tubular material is wrapped around a mandrel and processed, rod material can either be wound up, pressed on a mold and processed, or it can be turned from sheets of the finished material. Canvas based materials are typically made in sheets and turned afterwards. The materials made from sheets do have the potential for shearing along a cleavage plane that exist between the sheets as they are laid. Mandrel wrapped phenolics have no particular weak planes. Splitting this stuff is hard to do and typically requires exposure of the end of the rod. Butt caps made of this material need to be well protected by a bumper. Joints are far less susceptible. I'd say ferrules won't crack but I replaced one last week that had a small crack starting under the tip. As has been mentioned by most everybody, they all play about the same .