Need opinions on a new Pool term?

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Snapshot9

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With more and more tournaments being alternate break format, or even loser breaks for some weeklies, I feel like a new Pool reference is needed.

We all know what a 'pack' is, when continuous tables are run without missing including the break. 5 pack represents 5 tables ran without missing.

What about in alternate break format when a player does not miss even though his opponent breaks some of the games. For example player A breaks, runs the table. Player B breaks, makes no balls, player A runs the table. Player A breaks, runs the table. Player B breaks, makes no balls, player A runs table.

As a player or railbird, I always want to know the gritty details of a match, so what I am proposing is that we call the above example of alternate breaking would be a '4 win pack'. The term 'win' being used inbetween 4 and pack would indicate that it was not a straight run pack, but that the player ran 4 tables without missing or safety play, but that the opponent broke some of those games. It would also tell you by just its reference to a match that it was not winner breaks.

So, when asked about a match, someone could say, 'Yeah, the score was 11-9, and the winner had a 6 win pack. You would know it was not winner break, and the winner ran 6 tables without missing other than his opponent breaking.

It seems like a good term to use for those situations. What do you think?
Can I get an 'Amen from the bobbleheads!!' ...... sorry, my wierd sense of humor sneaks in sometimes ... lol :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
I first heard the term from Kieth McCready when I lived on the west coast back in the 70's, he called em a package, a small package or a large package. What probably needs to be addressed first is Alt Break A/B or Winner Break W/B or Loser Break L/B must first be known, then from there create your dialogue. So 6RwB and 2RwoB R = runout w = with & wo = without & B = break, best I can do.
So in a A/B event you had 6 runs with break and 2 runs with out break. Hows that?? Final Score in and A/B event 8-0 would be 6RwB and 2RwoB, Good luck.
 
Okay ...

Island Drive said:
I first heard the term from Kieth McCready when I lived on the west coast back in the 70's, he called em a package, a small package or a large package. What probably needs to be addressed first is Alt Break A/B or Winner Break W/B or Loser Break L/B must first be known, then from there create your dialogue. So 6RwB and 2RwoB R = runout w = with & wo = without & B = break, best I can do.
So in a A/B event you had 6 runs with break and 2 runs with out break. Hows that?? Final Score in and A/B event 8-0 would be 6RwB and 2RwoB, Good luck.
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Well, lol, I know there are 2 modes of operation here, and even though, you are using the DIRT method (Do It Right, Turkey), sometimes the KISS method trumps it .... ROFL ....:rolleyes:
 
i think we should call it something really catchy that makes no sense. Did you see the movie oceans 12........they had names for all their cons..........ahab with a camel hump.....2 pirates and a baby.....etc...etc
 
Someone told me that upon the non-breaker's first inning with however many balls are on the table that a run-out by the non-breaker is called a sweep.
 
The term I've heard for non-breaker getting out is cleanup run. In a league system I set up, we tracked "runouts" meaning the player got out the first time they came to the table regardless of whether they broke.

A term like "6 run pack" might be less ambiguous than "6 win pack". For someone who doesn't know, a win pack could just mean consecutive wins.
 
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I assume the term would still apply even if the opponent broke and made some balls, but later missed allowing you back in to run out?
 
The way we used the term it meant either a break&run or the racker running first time up. Balls made by the breaker in their failed run didn't matter.

Obviously clean-up runs after the breaker ran 6 or 7 balls are a lot easier, but the bottom line is still that a player with 6 consecutive runouts didn't miss a ball for 6 racks, whether they broke or racked.

There are still times when it might not be totally clear. Say you and I are playing alternate break and you beat me with 7 runouts, but I broke and ran a couple of times when it was my break. Is that a "7 run pack" or not? You never missed a ball - you got out every time you got to the table.

I don't know if you can really have an unambiguous shorthand term if it's not winner breaks. There are too many variations.
 
well, any run like that of mine, I call 'error-free'; however, my version allows safeties and losses where the other guy runs out. for instance, i played yesterday and i was error-free through the first three sets. i lost 5-4, won 5-1, won 5-0 (with loser breaks).

just trying to confuse matters...

-s
 
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