Need opinions on DIAMOND PRO TABLES.

mnorwood

mnorwood

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I am considering buying a diamond pro table.

I have heard that they require less maintenance due to the fact that the slate is a single piece.

I have also heard that they are easy to level.

Players tell me that the pockets are deeper cut giving you a smaller margin of error.

Are the rails as good as olhausen or brunswick?

Does anyone out there have any advice about diamond tables? Are they worth it or not?
 
ive played on them some, they seem to shoot well, the pockets seem pretty loose though, the place i was at the guy was double and triple shimming them to make it play tighter. Also theyre heavy as crap.
 
Read the rules of the BCA for tables

http://www.bca-pool.com/play/

If you use these dimensions you should get a good quality and playing table.

I have a Brunswick and at the time I bought it they were one of the few tables that conformed to the specs.

Hope this helps.
 
mnorwood said:
I am considering buying a diamond pro table.

I have heard that they require less maintenance due to the fact that the slate is a single piece.
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Only if you buy it with single piece. Normally, the Diamond Pro comes with 3-piece slate.

I have also heard that they are easy to level.
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IMO, they have the best leveling system on the market. And that's the old leveling system. The report is that the new leveling system is even better.

Players tell me that the pockets are deeper cut giving you a smaller margin of error.
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There is so much more to the Diamond pockets that to simply say "deeper cut" is meaningless. The angles of the facings, the width of the pocket opening, and the depth of the shelf are all married together to make a strict and fair standard. Yes, there's less margin of error compared to a Gold Crown (out of the box), but more than some tables that the pocket shelves are entirely too deep.

Are the rails as good as olhausen or brunswick?
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Sure. How good are Brunswick and Olhausen rails? Diamond uses K55 profile cushions. The rails are dymondwood... virtually indestructable.

Does anyone out there have any advice about diamond tables? Are they worth it or not?
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Best tables in the industry.

Fred
 
mnorwood said:
I am considering buying a diamond pro table.

I have heard that they require less maintenance due to the fact that the slate is a single piece.

I have also heard that they are easy to level.

Players tell me that the pockets are deeper cut giving you a smaller margin of error.

Are the rails as good as olhausen or brunswick?

Does anyone out there have any advice about diamond tables? Are they worth it or not?
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Are there any other tables ?????????:D I use to beleive that gold crowns where the only table but now i have a new love the diamond tables are the industry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Best playing table on the market hands down.....
 
scottycoyote said:
ive played on them some, they seem to shoot well, the pockets seem pretty loose though, the place i was at the guy was double and triple shimming them to make it play tighter. Also theyre heavy as crap.
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Hey Scottyville. The only Diamonds I've played on are the Diamond Pro cut and they played great. These are probably the best tables I've ever played on. They do not need to be shimmed at all, they are "perfect".
 
I have a beautiful brunswick gibson........and if I were to buy another table I would get a diamond pro with a matching light. They play as well as GC's and seem to be more consistent. The GC's I've played on run the gamut from perfect to crappy, while all the diamonds I've shot on feel similar. The rails are top-notch and I think a bit harder the Brunswick or Olhausen (they bank shorter). Great table, can't go wrong.
 
The pockets are tight enough to keep the garbage out, but still fair. The rails play true. If you play 1 pocket, you might want to try them out first though.

mnorwood said:
Players tell me that the pockets are deeper cut giving you a smaller margin of error.

Are the rails as good as olhausen or brunswick?

Does anyone out there have any advice about diamond tables? Are they worth it or not?
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mnorwood said:
I am considering buying a diamond pro table.

I have heard that they require less maintenance due to the fact that the slate is a single piece.

I have also heard that they are easy to level.

Players tell me that the pockets are deeper cut giving you a smaller margin of error.

Are the rails as good as olhausen or brunswick?

Does anyone out there have any advice about diamond tables? Are they worth it or not?
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I love the story of the Diamond company. Three guys having a late meal in a Denny's (or something) somewhere after another dissappointing experience with poor equiptment at a pool event and they decide to do something about it. They start a pooltable company and build a better table. They continue to improve their product. It seems their bottom line is: Produce the best product we can and let the chips fall where they may. In the business world this company is amazing. In the span of a decade they have become the standard for high quality tables. There are other nice tables out there and part of the reason those other tables are good is they are raising their standards to match/compete with the new kid on the block...Diamond
You lucked out! Buy the Diamond and start to enjoy an American made product. And when you buy the new and improved model years down the road you will be thankful their is a company that is taking care of business the old fashion way.
 
I had a cherrywood diamond table, and it was the best playing table I've ever used. The pockets are tighter than a standard brunswick, and there is no comparison in terms of looks and quality.
 
the Brunswick Gold Crown has been the Industry Standard table for 40+ years now. and it seems to me the Diamond Pro table is somewhat of a copy of the Gold Crown.

however, i have played a couple of times on a Diamond Pro table, most notably WPBA Professional Diana Minor's Diamond Pro. and i must admit, it was an awesome playing table.

i have a Gold Crown IV, and if i had to do it all over again i really dont know which table i would buy, the Gold Crown or the Diamond Pro. they are both awesome tables in my book.

DCP
 
Hi mnorwood,

Having played on most every modern table, I would rank the Diamond Pro as the second best out there. Number one is the Gabriels Vector table. Take the Diamond and expand an already great design. Add steel I beams (Kim Steel?) and turnbuckle wire cross-braces to tie the table together. Fifty percent more slate levelers. The same Artimus rail profile and pocket architecture make them play virtually the same. The Vector weighs more and is more expensive. I understand Diamond Products is now the sole US importer for Gabriels products. Either way, you will get the best!!!! Hint, don't ask why the tables are so similar.:rolleyes:
Lyn
 
Cornerman said:
Only if you buy it with single piece. Normally, the Diamond Pro comes with 3-piece slate.

IMO, they have the best leveling system on the market. And that's the old leveling system. The report is that the new leveling system is even better.

There is so much more to the Diamond pockets that to simply say "deeper cut" is meaningless. The angles of the facings, the width of the pocket opening, and the depth of the shelf are all married together to make a strict and fair standard. Yes, there's less margin of error compared to a Gold Crown (out of the box), but more than some tables that the pocket shelves are entirely too deep.

Sure. How good are Brunswick and Olhausen rails? Diamond uses K55 profile cushions. The rails are dymondwood... virtually indestructable.

Best tables in the industry.

Fred
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Fred...Diamond Pro tables do not come with 1-piece slate or dymondwood (a composite material) rail tops. That is the Diamond Smart Table (available in
7' & 9' sizes only). The Diamond Pro comes with solid wood (oak, cherry, mahogony) rail tops, and Artemis cushions now, which are far superior to
the old K-55 rubber that they used to use. You're absolutely correct about the deep shelf of the pocket opening and the leveling system...best in the industry, imo. The #1 reason to buy a Diamond Pro? Price...they cost about 1/2 of what a brand new GCIV costs, and play better.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
I have played on both. I like the goldcrowns better, but I also like the diamonds. I like the cut on the diamonds pocket but the "feel" the goldcrown in unmatched. I believe that diamond is a great table though and worth the money:rolleyes: ;)
 
cardiac kid said:
Hi mnorwood,

Having played on most every modern table, I would rank the Diamond Pro as the second best out there. Number one is the Gabriels Vector table. Take the Diamond and expand an already great design. Add steel I beams (Kim Steel?) and turnbuckle wire cross-braces to tie the table together. Fifty percent more slate levelers.
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What exactly to the turnbuckle wire cross-braces do? If the frame is all steel I Beams nothing should move once assembled. Is it part of the levelling system. (I know that crazy Brunswick Manhattan table has cables too, but I assume those are just cosmetic.)

Personally I like the look of the Gabriel's Signature Pro more than the Vector. I've never played on either yet, but I think a Signature Pro would be very high on my list for a brand new table, all other things (Like availabilty and cost) being equal next to the Diamond or the Gold Crown.
 
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I love shooting on Diamond tables. The only complaint that I have about them is that a ball can be completely within the jaws of the corner pockets and still not drop. That rather limits how a person can go about shooting a "hanger" in the corner. Other than that, I've yet to find a complaint about them. Hell, if they're good enough for Jesse & Jaime Bowman's dad, they're good enough for me.
 
AuntyDan said:
What exactly to the turnbuckle wire cross-braces do? If the frame is all steel I Beams nothing should move once assembled. Is it part of the levelling system. (I know that crazy Brunswick Manhattan table has cables too, but I assume those are just cosmetic.)
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Hi AuntyDan,

The Gabriels are designed for commercial use just as the Brunswicks are. Look ten years into the future of constant use, the I beam/wire braces will keep the table solid and straight. I believe the function of the braces is to keep the table "square" at all times.

I've seen enough of Ernesto's Brunswick pocket architechture to know that a well set up table from any brand will play as well. Problem is, how do you keep those other tables playing their best without constant mechanical work? Regardless, I envy mnorwood. I wish I had room for a table.:(

Lyn
 
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