New aiming systems...

Systems have their place, but as stated above, they are only good for getting you in the ballpark, none of them can be accurate. They get you close when you don't see or know the shot, which is helpful for getting the subconscious trained quicker.
A secondary benefit is that they focus the conscious mind, allowing the subconscious to more easily do its job.
So, what is it specifically that takes any and all players over the hump to the next level, the next level, and the highest level?
 
Depends what you call a "system", I know table runners whose "system" is "aim full or half, then subconsciously adjust . . . if that's a system, they can run out from many positions.
If they subconsciously adjust, (what triggers the adjustment to tell them it's right or wrong) what's to prevent them from being highly attuned to what they just did to make it consciously ingrained and reproduce the visual over and over again with successful repetition?
 
If they subconsciously adjust, (what triggers the adjustment to tell them it's right or wrong) what's to prevent them from being highly attuned to what they just did to make it consciously ingrained and reproduce the visual over and over again with successful repetition?
Exactly.
 
I think my point was more or less relating that after you’ve reached a basic level of proficiency you should have a grasp of aiming point, it’s really not too hard to discern.

Yet inevitably their games plateau and they start looking at “aiming systems” or “low deflection shafts”, etc. as some magical panacea that will stop these misses allowing them to run racks and improve their games when the truth is most misses are due to flawed fundamentals and strokes about 98% of the time. When shortstop or above players miss you never hear them say “wow I really aimed that badly”. I truly think these “systems” keep more players back rather than improving them.
My students through the years have often had good fundamentals and strokes. Sometimes it was explaining 8-Ball patterns or their main stroke was good but they struggled with draw or topspin (since there's more than one stroke).

A low-D shaft is technology, on the other hand, I've seen an aim system, which is knowledge, help people in minutes, significantly.
 
So, in other words, you don't know what there IS to know and how it's applied. Not very much of anything is natural in the beginning or until it's learned, practiced, used under the gun, and ingrained. It applies to all sports.
Aiming naturally for a beginner or even mid-level player doesn't mean it's correct and maximizing results.
No, those aren't other words for what I said.

Seeing where to hit one sphere with another sphere to make the first sphere go in a certain direction is a natural ability I suspect 99% of everyone on this board has.
 
No, those aren't other words for what I said.

Seeing where to hit one sphere with another sphere to make the first sphere go in a certain direction is a natural ability
No, it isn't natural ability. A beginner doesn't know how to grip the cue, make a bridge or even hit the CB. Most will whiff it entirely. Very few if any have their own tables at home which means very little time to practice and learn. Those who took up the game years ago still have no clue how to play efficiently.
I suspect 99% of everyone on this board has.
I suspect you are so far off base it would be categorized as clueless. You joined here 2 months ago, have 20 whopping posts under your belt, and already an expert on everything. Are you a pro player in disguise going incognito?
 
No, those aren't other words for what I said.

Seeing where to hit one sphere with another sphere to make the first sphere go in a certain direction is a natural ability I suspect 99% of everyone on this board has.
I wonder what the real % of inate understanding about what happens when 2 balls collide really is?

I have a friend with whom I play billiards, he plays straight caroms and I play 3 cushion ( if you have a little knowledge of the no pocket games, but the difference between the two is like checkers and chess). We've probably played about 15x and I bet I am ahead.

The dude is pool retarded. Absolutely no idea what happens when pool balls move.
 
No, it isn't natural ability. A beginner doesn't know how to grip the cue, make a bridge or even hit the CB. Most will whiff it entirely. Very few if any have their own tables at home which means very little time to practice and learn. Those who took up the game years ago still have no clue how to play efficiently.
Those things have nothing to do with what direction to send the cue ball. Is anyone here who is talking about aiming systems talking about how to make a bridge?
I suspect you are so far off base it would be categorized as clueless. You joined here 2 months ago, have 20 whopping posts under your belt, and already an expert on everything. Are you a pro player in disguise going incognito?
Because how many posts someone has made on this message board is some indication of knowledge or expertise or common sense? Where did I say I'm an expert? I posited something. I believe it to be true as it's just plain common sense. Your answer here though about how to grip the cue indicates to me that you're just arguing because I've indicated that I don't think CTE is the holy grail of pool.
 
Those things have nothing to do with what direction to send the cue ball. Is anyone here who is talking about aiming systems talking about how to make a bridge?

Because how many posts someone has made on this message board is some indication of knowledge or expertise or common sense? Where did I say I'm an expert? I posited something. I believe it to be true as it's just plain common sense. Your answer here though about how to grip the cue indicates to me that you're just arguing because I've indicated that I don't think CTE is the holy grail of pool.
Some members on here are worth going back and forth with on various aspects of pool. You, on the other hand, are a big time troll and from what you've posted already is in fact a clueless one and guaranteed lousy player. You are now on IGNORE.
Btw, I accidentally hit the thumbs up icon. There is nothing I like from your post or in your head.
 
Some members on here are worth going back and forth with on various aspects of pool. You, on the other hand, are a big time troll and from what you've posted already is in fact a clueless one and guaranteed lousy player. You are now on IGNORE.
This guy's all butthurt cuz he started a private conversation with me a couple weeks ago and I asked him some things about CTE, what to watch, what to read and none of it was very good and not at all concise so I gave up. Really did want to understand it.
 
One thing that nobody has mentioned is how do you get your body and feet in the correct place for the shot, especially a new player?? Thats one thing an aiming system may help with besides getting the ball to the pocket. To me moving your cue side to side while down on the shot is bad practice, something that I think all of have seen beginning players do, learning an aiming system can also teach you how to align your body with the shot.
 
I think my point was more or less relating that after you’ve reached a basic level of proficiency you should have a grasp of aiming point, it’s really not too hard to discern.
What do you think is the best way of doing it? How should one link up the OB to pocket and CB to OB? OB to pocket is simple.
The next part CB to OB, is where it usually gets tricky. You do know there are about 100 ways of visualizing and doing it, don't you? Some better and easier than others as well as fit the eyes and brain of the player.
Yet inevitably their games plateau and they start looking at “aiming systems” or “low deflection shafts”, etc. as some magical panacea that will stop these misses allowing them to run racks and improve their games when the truth is most misses are due to flawed fundamentals and strokes about 98% of the time. When shortstop or above players miss you never hear them say “wow I really aimed that badly”. I truly think these “systems” keep more players back rather than improving them.
If you think that about pool, it only stands to reason you think pretty much along those same lines regarding golf or other sports? If systems (instructions on something they don't yet know) won't be beneficial, why do so many golfers take lessons from pro instructors?
Even the TOP PRO players have instructors.
 
I use simple geometry to identify the shot lines - obviously the stick line too. Shooting the shot can require fine tuning the stick line (this is the only part I'd consider aiming) but for most center ball/perfect rolling shots, the stick line is law.
Same. I see the lines instantly.
I wonder if being taller would increase the accuracy of the lines.
 
Same. I see the lines instantly.
I'll bet it might have something to do with how many years you've been playing and the number of hours at the table.
I wonder if being taller would increase the accuracy of the lines.
Not when you see a number of pro players, men and women, with the bottom of the chin getting raked with the cue as they're setting up and aiming the shot with practice strokes. It goes both ways. Some of the players from yesteryear, like Luther Lassiter and others were very upright.
 
This guy's all butthurt cuz he started a private conversation with me a couple weeks ago and I asked him some things about CTE, what to watch, what to read and none of it was very good and not at all concise so I gave up. Really did want to understand it.
That doesn't look as good on you as I think you meant it to.
 
One thing that nobody has mentioned is how do you get your body and feet in the correct place for the shot, especially a new player?? Thats one thing an aiming system may help with besides getting the ball to the pocket. To me moving your cue side to side while down on the shot is bad practice, something that I think all of have seen beginning players do, learning an aiming system can also teach you how to align your body with the shot.
I've always wondered about how consistently top players orient their bodies to the ball.

I'm sure there's a good Dr somewhere that could develop methodolghy to analyze this.
 
I love my aiming system(s). I won many tournaments that I wouldn’t have won if I hadnt learned them. Aiming systems made this game more fun for me.

This thread should be in the Aiming Forum. We all know the path it will go. People who don’t use aiming systems in my opinion shouldnt be poo poo-ing them, and players who use them shouldn’t have to defend them. It’s not life or death. Saving neophytes from the evil aiming systems isn’t that important especially if there’s a chance that some (lots of) neophytes get more enjoyment out of the game by learning them. If the aiming system doesn't work for a player, they abandon it and go on. It’s that simple.
 
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