New APA Artisans Format

New Artisans Format

I am a 7 handicap in APA 8-ball., (I couldn't qualify to play in the Artisans league).The BEST format in APA leagues for high handicap players IS the "Masters" division! The proposed intermediate league (using the Masters format) should be great for the 4 to 6 handicap players! The scoring is super simple (keeping track of games won, not having to mark EVERY SHOT made in 9-ball or EVERY TURN at the table in 8-ball !!!). PLUS, you get to play both 8-ball and 9-ball in a match ( race to 7). It is the best of both worlds playing both formats.
I think this intermediate league is a GREAT idea! (I also don't think APA National should have any problems with it IF they still get their $$$ each match!

Go for it !



So basically what the OP is saying is that there is a new format APA league with 4's, 5's, and one SL6 on the teams? Kind of like an intermediate Masters league? Unlike some other posters on this thread, I don't see anything wrong with this idea. Like one poster said earlier, a SL7 (8-ball) could actually have the skills of a professional, pretty much assuring that THAT type of SL7 is going to win most of his/her matches. That type of player should be and should WANT to be in the Masters division. This gives the "up-and-coming" players a league to play in without having to deal with those pesky sandbagging 2's and 3's.

If you think this league is discriminating against the best APA players, then you don't have to play in it if you don't want to. You STILL have the Masters division.

Just my thoughts.

Maniac[/QUOTE]
 
After Sleeping on it there may some merit to this. I'm going to sleep on it for a few weeks and see what happens come Summer Session. It does have it's benefits for the Lower Skill Levels who want to improve.

Black Cat :cool:
 
APA Gene said:
To all who don't like the idea keep in mind this is just a local format playing in Hank's area. It is not an APA developed product and is not being promoted by the APA as an additional format. It is just something they (Hank and/ or his APA LO) came up with locally to benefit a select group of players. I do not know any other LOs running this format or trying to start it.
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Understood from the git-go. But this MAY be something the APA might want to look into. Maybe someone ought to suggest it to them. Leave the true handicapped leagues to the begginers and players whose games have stagnated and let some of the "middle-of-the-road-up-and-comers" have a decent format w/no handicapping (read: SANDBAGGING).

Just an idea that could come to fruition someday.

Maniac
 
Wow, and I didnt think it was possible to make the APA more banger friendly LOL.
 
"We managed to get a slot in Las Vegas to play against the Masters in August"


Seems to me you robbed a REAL Masters Team from going to the APA Masters tournament. Since your highest skill level is a 6 YOU WILL GET KILLED at nationals. The team I'm on has to win a regional tournament to get to Nationals. Your team has no chance at Regionals let alone Nationals.

Before you think I crying because I can't get to APA Masters Nationals, the fact is the team I am on has won a spot to APA Masters Nationals the last 3 years in a row.
 
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TWOFORPOOL said:
"We managed to get a slot in Las Vegas to play against the Masters in August"


Seems to me you robbed a REAL Masters Team from going to the APA Masters tournament. Since your highest skill level is a 6 YOU WILL GET KILLED at nationals. The team I'm on has to win a regional tournament to get to Nationals. Your team has no chance at Regionals let alone Nationals.
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This is a good point. Otherwise, the Artisans league sounds fine. The point is presumably to create something in between the regular league and the Masters league. What's wrong with that. Some pool halls have separate A, B, and C tournaments. Same logic.
 
From experience and reading this post the APA is just looking for another way to d1ck things up. Not only does it screw the players but this will really throw the league operators for a loop given that probably half of them can't even tie their shoes.

What's next? New higher skill levels? Playing 8 ball without the 8 or maybe 9 ball with 10 balls? Possibly even only allow people to use red chalk to "level the playing field".

Simply put "idiotic".
 
Cory in DC said:
This is a good point. Otherwise, the Artisans league sounds fine. The point is presumably to create something in between the regular league and the Masters league. What's wrong with that. Some pool halls have separate A, B, and C tournaments. Same logic.
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I think a new format in APA is great. The problem I have is the spot to Vegas that they couldn't earn in a regular Masters team. Some other real Masters team can't go because of this.
 
I just dont see the point. this solves NOTHING. 1 SL7 on a team and 1 SL6 ??? WTF, why fuxing bother not having a 23 rule??????? You never go over 23 anyway. Unless evryone else on the team were 5's, then when they got any better, you'd have to split them off too. This is rediculous, I AM REALLY ON TILT right now.

*edit* I just re-read this, you cant have ANY 7's, and just ONE 6!!!!!!!!!??????? WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS ???????
 
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TWOFORPOOL said:
I think a new format in APA is great. The problem I have is the spot to Vegas that they couldn't earn in a regular Masters team. Some other real Masters team can't go because of this.
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Actually I don't think that's the case at all. Normally teams are sent based on how many teams you have in your area. you either have enough to send a team or you don't. So if they have enough teams in their league to send a team, that's not taking a slot, its just one less team that would be there if their league didn't play.

However if their overall region for example actually had enough masters teams to send two teams and blatantly gave one birth to the winner of this separate division, then I would agree with your point.
 
rope_one said:
Actually I don't think that's the case at all. Normally teams are sent based on how many teams you have in your area. you either have enough to send a team or you don't. So if they have enough teams in their league to send a team, that's not taking a slot, its just one less team that would be there if their league didn't play.

However if their overall region for example actually had enough masters teams to send two teams and blatantly gave one birth to the winner of this separate division, then I would agree with your point.
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Each APA League Operator has the right to send a Masters team and they can pick any 4 players in their league. The team from LA who has won it several times doesn't even play in a APA Masters League (they just play in a regular APA league). Their League Operator sent them directly into the APA Masters Tournament.

Not all APA League Operators send a team and there are spots still available that the APA gives out to other League Operators. Our League Operator gets two spots to APA Masters Tournament but the teams here must win them in a APA Regional Tournament (1st & 2nd get to go).
 
Icon of Sin said:
Wow, and I didnt think it was possible to make the APA more banger friendly LOL.
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Why in the world does it bother all of you hot-shot players that APA is "banger friendly"? How the heck else is a new player supposed to learn and get better? Oh yeah, hours and hours and hours of practice, that will do it. Yup, it certainly will. But how many will give up before ever contemplating devoting that much time and energy into something before they even find out if they really enjoy it all that much? Why bash a league environment that promotes how much fun pool can be, and might inspire more people to play?

Thread after thread after thread here lamenting why pool isn't growing and more popular, and thread after thread after thread crapping on "bangers" and the APA.

I don't get it, and never will.

Signed,
A banger. A pretty awful one. :rolleyes:
(One who is trying to get better. Probably will NEVER get to be a player to the level of most of the posters here, but I will have fun "banging" away anyway.)
 
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