New Book on Natural Aim--Aim is the Game in Pool

Robin, you have gone and done it now, you woke JoeyA up!

Robin,
Let's see now. You say that you have a new and novel book about aiming and that you've used my signature quote in your book without even asking me?
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JoeyA,
I saw that you tube of the Efren/Daulton match a long time ago and I dont spend a lot to time on here except lately so I didnt know that was your signature quote but man its a great quote. I think that quote says about everything a player should consider especially when playing someone especially when you are playing someone way above your speed.
That why I used it. I meant no harm and I surely will be happy to give you the credit for it when I do the next revision or I will remove it. Either is the right thing to do given I have obviously committed a trespass. I want to extend you to my full apology.
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I don't know whether to be flattered or to be slightly perturbed. At least I don't remember being asked if it was all right for you to use my signature line.
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I'm not sure if that "sucks deep pond scum" or not. (Sorry George Fels: I didn't think you would mind if I "borrowed" your signature phrase). At least when I use George's signature phrase, I give him credit. Oh! That's what you're doing now. OK, then I'm fine with you borrowing it.
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Ouch, hey Im a big guy I can take it. Its my fault that I was as equally perturbed by Mristeas comments---which is not without some merit but what I disliked about it was this:

Why should we buy your book? So to prove yourself to us I want you to give it away now that youve done all this work and if you prove worthy maybe we will buy it, we will let JoeyA or Spidersomebody decide if you are worthy of being in the realm of book sellers. Well I dont know you guys and really dont think I want to send a book out to someone I dont know for their blessings but I stand by my work. I believe its good work. I tried to take my time with it, I juggled a lot doing it and finally its done except of course now I found out that is your signature line and I need to give you credit for it for which I had to apologize and I will get around to doing that if that is what you like but yep its going to cost me. So this first bunch will be the only ones without your not getting credit for the quote but its the right thing to do.

Let me know what you would have me do and I will at my expense fix the trespass.

Im real big on respect and dont mind respecting your intellectual property I just didnt know it was yours. Again I apologize but the quote was on a You Tube of a great match and it was a great quote.
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You might also consider dangling a carrot or two from your book on this forum. (Something useful and unique that can be easily put to good use.) It might arouse potential buyers' interest.
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I think I will but not the instructional stuff perhaps some of the stuff I consider hmmmm mystical writings on the game or a story or maybe an article about alignment. I have a signature piece in the front of the book that I really want everyone who plays the game to read. If its good enough I would really appreciate someone asking me before they publish it in a magazine or otherwise.
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Good selling with your aiming book and if I'm ever in North Carolina, I'll be sure and look you up.
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I really wish you would I at least owe you dinner. I thought that Mristea had called me to task and that is why I suggested the match book vs his $28.50. I dont fancy myself a gambler I just love pool and I have several jobs besides this one, it takes a great deal of effort to keep a kid in college these days. They dont offer credit at the university and I dont like loans, its a big bite out of my wallet so I have to hustle at everything I do to keep the bill paid up and I do.
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Have words, will travel!
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The above is great line as well. Mine is :

" Just another lovely day in paradise."

Id consider it an honor if you use it. Let me know what I can do to make things right and I will try to do it. Again my apologies.

Sincerely,

Robin E. Kelly

336Robin

Now you are going to have to fasten your seat belt! JoeyA is in the house. He must have heard his name called! Robin I want to know how much weight you are going to give JoeyA? And what game you all are going to play? You even woke Matt90 up too! How much weight for Matt90? And when you finish with them, I want some weight also!!! He, he, he. Lock N Load is going to be watching this thread! Just kidding with you, JoeyA and Matt90. But I need my weight!
Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
Reply to Lock and Load

LocknLoad,
So tell me do you Play the 8 neutral in 8 ball? lol Maybe thats what we ought to play, but I definitely need a handspan if youre getting weight!! lol. Sounds like I need weight!!!

336robin :thumbup:
 
Why should we buy your book? So to prove yourself to us I want you to give it away now that youve done all this work and if you prove worthy maybe we will buy it, we will let JoeyA or Spidersomebody decide if you are worthy of being in the realm of book sellers.

Why are you busting my balls? I wasn't participating in the thread and you're already trying to get people to send me in and stuff because someone dropped my name.

Relaaaax - breathe

Try to be a nicer guy and I'm sure you'll sell many books :)
 
All this aim stuff is well and good, but give me a book on how to play perfect position and I'm sold.
 
Perfect Position

Spidey,
Well said Im going to chill.

TSW,
Well Im sure someone can show us where to put the ball its just getting it getting there thats the small problem.

336Robin
 
The Carrot

JoeyA said,

You might also consider dangling a carrot or two from your book on this forum. (Something useful and unique that can be easily put to good use.) It might arouse potential buyers' interest.
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JoeyA,
I have considered your proposal and here it is. Its on my website at

http://274928807619529663.weebly.com/


336Robin :thumbup:

aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com
 
Marketing 101

JoeyA said,

You might also consider dangling a carrot or two from your book on this forum. (Something useful and unique that can be easily put to good use.) It might arouse potential buyers' interest.
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JoeyA,
I have considered your proposal and here it is. Its on my website at

http://274928807619529663.weebly.com/


336Robin :thumbup:

aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com

That's not the carrot Robin. Click here for the carrot. :wink:

Out of 171 pages this is a small excerpt but would you consider this a good example of what can be expected in the other 170 pages?
 
"Shotenstein" is a mythical character creation of the author. He is created appearing at the end of the chapters as "the reader", he transcends into life as a pool player who knows all the shots and becomes a roving hustler and back room professional of the game but taking the time to teach people how to play along the way. A genuine nice guy who leaves you "a little light in the wallet" but with a "valuable lesson." He is the intelluctual property of the author "Robin E. Kelly" and is bound by copyright and trademark and may not be used for any other purpose without the authors written consent as he is a part of the book "Aim is the Game in Pool."

Lol I love the part about Shotenstein being your intellectual property... a made up hustler or whatever. I lol-ed for a few minutes... and might even come back later to lol again!

Oh crap, did I just re-post that w/o your permission?!?!? Better consult my lawyer (on retainer for these very specific reasons!), lol.
 
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Natural aiming only happens when you are not thinking about aiming. Aiming is not natural until it can be done just like walking, Done without thought.

Anything else is unnatural.

Gees, everybody just save your money for table time. That is the only way to become a natural player.

I mean what is it always said after all these systems and books and such......you still gotta spend time at the table.

There is so much free info about how to play pool that your money is better spent on table time.
 
Tidbit

JoeyA,
That is just a tidbit and is my take on a subject already written on by other players/writers to show how I handled it.

It was merely a sample of my writing style and this is in no way a means to measure the sum of the information.

336robin :thumbup:
 
Natural aiming only happens when you are not thinking about aiming. Aiming is not natural until it can be done just like walking, Done without thought.

Anything else is unnatural.

Gees, everybody just save your money for table time. That is the only way to become a natural player.

I mean what is it always said after all these systems and books and such......you still gotta spend time at the table.

There is so much free info about how to play pool that your money is better spent on table time.
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Duckie,
I understand the good intent of your post and I think that you are right in certain respects as to how it feels to realize youve just put several racks on your opponent and stop and think----Wow how did I do that? Was that me?

Getting on that type of roll is something that gives us a kind of high and then you feel as if you arent aiming you are just rolling from shot to shot and that is exactly the state that I am trying to bring a player to in my book. That is an idea we have after weve done it, but there are thought processes involved, some of them decisions we make concerning shot making.

Some people have no reference point that they can see and understand to be able to reach that point and because of it, some never attain it and perhaps a lot of them do not have the time to donate to something that they think is supposed to be a natural nirvana they cannot seem to hit. Still they try regardless of their other world responsibilities they love the game and would like to be so much better at it but need a few clues.

That is the state that I have concentrated on bringing a player within the steps and methods within this book. At a point I want the player to be able to glance at the situation and just roll through the decisions quickly getting out on their opponent.

From what youve written I hope that you are able to attain that state on a regular basis, where you operate seemly without thought and are able to roll from shot to shot making few errors and continually getting out.

The purpose of my book is to provide easy methods to understanding the things you need to in order to hit shots and then you can think a little more about getting position which is the true key to the game.

Shot making skill is just one thing. Not everything.

I think it would be a wonderful world if no thought were required to play this game but I think that getting on a roll with some organized thought that comes easy is the key to it all. That is what you will find in my book, ways to aim, ways to organize those thoughts that enable you to hit the roll while planning your out and getting there.

Sincerely,

336Robin :thumbup:

http://274928807619529663.weebly.com/a-sample--a-is-for-alignment.html

The alignment piece stands pretty good on its own for being able to start the roll from shot to shot but is a premethod that gets you started right where you start seeing the adjustments you need to make. The aiming methods I bring enables you to better do this and you are able to see and feel the game which is exactly what good players are able to do.

I think youre thinking is right on the money and that is where I want my reader to be when Im done with them.

aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com
 
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Robin...Actually it IS all about shotmaking. Rule #1, in pool, says if you make the OB, you get to go again. Rule #2 says there are no points for pretty. Those things aside, good instructors try to instill good habits in their students, that will ultimately result in an accurate and repeatable stroke...which for most players, will result in pocketing better, and better position play.

Shot making skill is just one thing. Not everything.

336Robin
 
Robin...Actually it IS all about shotmaking. Rule #1, in pool, says if you make the OB, you get to go again. Rule #2 says there are no points for pretty. Those things aside, good instructors try to instill good habits in their students, that will ultimately result in an accurate and repeatable stroke...which for most players, will result in pocketing better, and better position play.

I think he said that because he's a 3C player. No wonder pocketing balls isn't everything :)

You're right - I prefer to shoot again versus the alternative.
 
pieces and parts and things

Today, 10:43 AM

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Robin...Actually it IS all about shotmaking.
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I agree Scott, you have to make the shot to get to go again, thats in the rules.

What I said is that shot making is one thing, and it is.

So is alignment, so is aim, so is preshot routine, shot routine, so is walking up into the shot squared to the shot, so is stroke routine, so is balance, stance, so is the method by which you look the shot over, so is the methods by which you determine if your aim is correct, so is your confident attitude towards the shot so are fundamentals and depending on which fundamental we are talking about could individually be many things.

All of those things are one thing individually and contribute to the quality of your game and ultimately the consistency of your shotmaking which is definitely the object of the game.

I did not say that shot making wasnt the object of the game or wasnt the most important thing. I said shotmaking was "One thing." It just turns out its "THe Thing" that simply has to happen in accordance with several other things to get position for the next shot in order to get out.

Fundamentals by themselves though in my opinion do not cause the cue ball to move so much as stroke speed and spin applied which influence the caroming cue ball. All of those decisions involving how you deal with squirt, deflection, and desire to match stroke and the distance of cue ball travel are all indeed things, things being decisions. Although fundamentals are extremely important in being able to maintain control over all of those things.

I agree it is all about shotmaking indeed, you simply must make the shot, or you go safe, which by itself is another one of those pesky things!!

Perhaps I shouldnt use the word----- thing!! That seem to be the problem there are just all of these things!! All of which are something to deal with in some sort of way. Do you not agree?

336robin :thumbup: http://274928807619529663.weebly.com/

aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com
 
This worries me

"Shoulders squared, eyes open, stroking arm hanging down straight from the elbow. All of this you can feel."

Squared? does this mean both shoulders at a right angle to the line of the shot?
 
Robin...Just curious...Do you believe that pure sidespin influences the directional path of the CB, after contact with the OB, at any angle? Is that covered in your book?

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

in my opinion do not cause the cue ball to move so much as stroke speed and spin applied which influence the caroming cue ball.

336robin
 
Wasn't fo me

I just finished the book. I appreciate the authors effort and love of the game. That being said, I didn't like the book. I found the writing to very hard to comprehend, I read some sections 5-6 times before I could understand what he was trying to say. In some places the information he was presenting seemed never to be fully explained.

I did get a couple of small things out it as with almost all books/DVD's ect there is usually some tidbits of knowledge or ways of looking at things differently that you can take away from them. The book wasn't my cup of tea.

This book may help people who struggle with feel and or aiming. I hope this book does help some people, as it seems that Mr. Kelly put a lot of time and effort.

Thanks. Stan
 
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