New generation of filipinos

[memikey]

I totally agree... Ronnie Alcano has the smoothest stroke, even better than Bustamante.... his surgical performance vs Yang Ching Chang (spell?) in one of the Asian Tour(SMB finals)... was just pure art.... I think Ronnie didn't have much opportunity to show off his real skills when he was in US.... he's competed mostly in Josh tour... to me he is definitely a top tier player.... i wish he comes back to US .... its a tragedy not to see him play here again...

Have you been hibernating in a nuclear bomb shelter? He's just won the latest IPT qualifier at Vegas after missing out in the one in Shanghai.

He sure is quality.

Haven't seen anyone mention Elmer Haya in their Phillipino lists.........excellent 8 ball player who took part in last years worlds finals in Fujairah.Had the privilege of being whupped by him in The Middle East Open last year,think he works as a coach for the Kuwait national team.

 

[bandido]

Have you been hibernating in a nuclear bomb shelter? He's just won the latest IPT qualifier at Vegas after missing out in the one in Shanghai.

He sure is quality.

Haven't seen anyone mention Elmer Haya in their Phillipino lists.........excellent 8 ball player who took part in last years worlds finals in Fujairah.Had the privilege of being whupped by him in The Middle East Open last year,think he works as a coach for the Kuwait national team.

You are right and thanks for reminding me. Some more to add to the list:
Elmer Haya
Mario Tolentino
Elvis Calasang
Al Ortega
Dondon Razalan
All high 3rd level players.

 

[bandido]

I think pool development in the philippines still has much to improve. all the greats i.e. reyes, bustamante, parica, pagulayan, et. al. developed their skills in the absence of any government interference or support, unlike in taiwan or germany, or the presence of a formal league infrastructure like in germany or the netherlands. which probably explains why germany and taiwan are catching up with the philippines. sure, gambling is a great way to build the mental game, but if no one would teach the fundamentals, good players would be few and far in between.

It's a two-way street you know. All emerging pool powers dissect the Filipinos' game. The Filipinos fine tune their fundamentals from watching them. You watch the magic and we'll watch the mechanics then incorporate the mechanics to the magic. I think that the basic mechanics are going to be a lot easier to understand and to incorporate as knowledge and awareness of the unusual ball, cloth, rails and cue reactions are already present.

Hopeless romantics these Filipinos, feel comes before the brain.

 

[Renegade]

It's a two-way street you know. All emerging pool powers dissect the Filipinos' game. The Filipinos fine tune their fundamentals from watching them. You watch the magic and we'll watch the mechanics then incorporate the mechanics to the magic. I think that the basic mechanics are going to be a lot easier to understand and to incorporate as knowledge and awareness of the unusual ball, cloth, rails and cue reactions are already present.

Hopeless romantics these Filipinos, feel comes before the brain.

good point, bandido. i recall reading the pdf file someone posted on the article of bustamante's break and ralf souquet was quoted as saying that bustamante's break, while devastating already to begin with, became more deadly accurate and controlled as a result of his staying there in germany. so you're right, the filipinos learn from the germans in the same way as the germans and all the rest learn from the filipinos.
just imagine how much better the filipinos would be, though, had they had the right infrastructure in place -- like the goverment support given to the germans and taiwanese, as well as the tournaments and leagues present in most european countries. i think there are more good filipino players undiscovered out there that would've been known had there been an NBA type of league in place. it's scary as well as exciting! maybe the next efren is just there in a far-flung pool room, not knowing his real speed because there's no one else to compare to.
reminds me of the article about how efren found out, when he first stepped out of philippine shores, that he of world champion caliber -- just by watching how people played back then!

 

[bandido]

just imagine how much better the filipinos would be, though, had they had the right infrastructure in place -- like the goverment support given to the germans and taiwanese, as well as the tournaments and leagues present in most european countries. i think there are more good filipino players undiscovered out there that would've been known had there been an NBA type of league in place. it's scary as well as exciting! maybe the next efren is just there in a far-flung pool room, not knowing his real speed because there's no one else to compare to.
reminds me of the article about how efren found out, when he first stepped out of philippine shores, that he of world champion caliber -- just by watching how people played back then!

Unfortunately, even with all those tournaments and leagues, the hopefuls are too poor to participate and that's why they stay more at where they can earn a little to feed themselves. The leagues and tournaments are more for the casual players who has no real ambition to become world beaters. If it happens it happens crowd. Unlike the financially disadvantaged who needs to excel in order to survive.

As long as the gap between the rich and the poor is wide a champion with extraordinary talent will emerge.

EDIT: And yes we do have a couple who went through structured training and they are Marlon Manalo and DeoMark Alpajora. Both college educated and from families that have financial means. I think that they can be considered under the "another road taken" category and is what you are referring to. We've got a few from this category and yes it's growing too because of the example set by the pioneers.

 

[itsjay764]

I played Ronnie Alcano yesterday at Hardtimes Bellflower in their montly $1000 added tourney @ Hardtimes (Bellflower). He is such a great player and has no weaknesses. He WILL be soon recognized as he best player in the world along with orcullo. FYI: the field incluced alcano, lining, sambajon, valle and gallego

 

[Renegade]

And yes we do have a couple who went through structured training and they are Marlon Manalo and DeoMark Alpajora. Both college educated and from families that have financial means. I think that they can be considered under the "another road taken" category and is what you are referring to. We've got a few from this category and yes it's growing too because of the example set by the pioneers.

I guess we'll have to watch out for this Alpajora dude some time soon, along with the other players mentioned here. Thanks for the info, bandido.

 

[pro9dg]

Edwin - agree with Elmer Haya, a great player and I like Elvis too!
What about Jobert Panga and is Al Ortega a different person from James Ortega

 

[bandido]

Edwin - agree with Elmer Haya, a great player and I like Elvis too!
What about Jobert Panga and is Al Ortega a different person from James Ortega

Hi Doug,
I' pretty sure that they're one and the same as I've seen his name listed in tounament charts and newspaper articles as James Al Ortega. Jobert's another one to look out for.

Hey, thanks for everything in Cardiff! I'm looking forward to hooking up with you if you're coming for the WPC here.

 

[watchez]

I've never had the opportunity to see Orcullo play ,however, I've been hearing some substancial rumours that he is perhaps the Phillipine's best money (gambling) player.Up until recentley ,he had taken Pagulayan for a lot of cash and I've heard he has beaten Reyes and Bustamante out of cash as well.

Alex finally took some cash from him, however, Orcullo is still up quite a bit.The talent in the Phillipines is unbelievable.
RJ

I heard that Orcullo openly offered any American player the 7 ball.....with no takers.

 

[sniper]

hey where is lee van corteza??
he won one leg of the SAn mig tour as well as SEA gold..

Although he rarely competes outside of the Phillipines Lee Van Corteza is one of the younger more unknown players that I am particularly impressed with. His CB control and potting ability are right up there with some of the top filipino players I've seen play, he may not get the attention of a Manalo or Orcullo because he doesn't compete at all in the US but if he did he would certainly have similar results to these guys. If he ever does hit the tournament trail hard he would surely be a force to reckon with.

 

[rogelioii]

I played Ronnie Alcano yesterday at Hardtimes Bellflower in their montly $1000 added tourney @ Hardtimes (Bellflower). He is such a great player and has no weaknesses. He WILL be soon recognized as he best player in the world along with orcullo. FYI: the field incluced alcano, lining, sambajon, valle and gallego

who won this tourney?

 

[STANTON]

Ramil Gallego Beat Twig Imai In The Finals. Ernesto Was Third.