New guy and a question about local tournaments

scissorhands

Registered
Hello all, I have not played pool in 18 years and decided to pick it back up a few months ago ( yes, my game is rusty) LOL. I hope to contribute and learn from you all. The question.

At the local bar, I started an 8 ball tournament. We had 12 players show up and played double elimination with a race to 2. The tournament lasted 5 hours. I have never played in a tournament or ran one for that matter. I think it took to long. Whats a common format for bar table tournaments? A few of the competitors thought it was a little long also. The bar only has 2 tables. BTW, I did win tourney, I'm just as shocked as you are :thumbup: I would like to avoid single elimination, because we have varying skill levels.

any advice?
 
shorter race on losers side?

Race to 1 on losers side would help.
You can add runback. When sonebody breaks and runs out the opponent has one try to do the same and cancel their win. Then it is the first persons break again. Creates excitement.
Could do single elimination with buyback. Where when you get knocked out you can rebuy once into tournament. Play every person through and redraw. If there is an odd nunber, one of the players who hasnt had a bye gets one. With only 2 tables this xould work well.
 
seems about right to me, if each game took 10 minutes and rand hill - hill, that's 30 minutes a match, running two matches at a time, make sure incoming players are ready and avoid searching for the people sitting at the bar, eating food, bathroom situations, smokers, and so forth, probably could save a little time even if you gave 10 minutes to players who just finished a match. If you have better players, they still can get into a safety game and if you give a minute for a shot, three safes by each player is six minutes added to a normal 10 minute game. Have fun, race to two should go much faster than 30 minutes, but........ that should be the extreme worse. Make sure everyone is ready to go, make sure if your running the tournament, you have quarters on hand for the players to buy from you and not waiting at the bar to get them. Run over the details with everyone that they can help curb the time if they are prepared and ready to go. Hunting for a player to get to his match is a total waste of time and they should be able to have a lot of fun around the tournament schedule as well.
if someone is really slowing the pace, well........ hate to enforce the one minute shot clock, but, see what all the players think if it drags out. Remember, you have just done one tournament and I think it will go much faster the next time, if it does not, just have fun and no one will care if it lasts five hours.
You can also get someone ( if everyone throws in an extra buck ) to have a pretty gal run the tournament and hound the players to be ready. No one takes offense to that !!!! $ 12.00 should get a few drinks for her help. Just a few opinions and thoughts.
 
Hello all, I have not played pool in 18 years and decided to pick it back up a few months ago ( yes, my game is rusty) LOL. I hope to contribute and learn from you all. The question.

At the local bar, I started an 8 ball tournament. We had 12 players show up and played double elimination with a race to 2. The tournament lasted 5 hours. I have never played in a tournament or ran one for that matter. I think it took to long. Whats a common format for bar table tournaments? A few of the competitors thought it was a little long also. The bar only has 2 tables. BTW, I did win tourney, I'm just as shocked as you are :thumbup: I would like to avoid single elimination, because we have varying skill levels.

any advice?
Race to 1, double elimination is done a thousand places across the country.

Since you've never run a tourney, I hope you're doing the byes correctly. Most people who have never run a tourney or even many who have run tourneys have zero clue how to do byes.

In case you need it, go here: http://www.playbca.com/Downloads/TournamentCharts.aspx

Freddie <~~~ only player who can lose to the bye
 
Thanks for all the replies, I like the idea of a race to 1 for the losers bracket.

Cornerman, I printed off a couple brackets and they do all the work;) I'm pretty organized and the tourney ran smoothly. Thanks for the link.
 
Thanks for all the replies, I like the idea of a race to 1 for the losers bracket.

Cornerman, I printed off a couple brackets and they do all the work;) I'm pretty organized and the tourney ran smoothly. Thanks for the link.

And the four byes worked out?

Freddie <~~~ until the horse is dead
 
Sounds like you got a handle on it and other people gave good insight. Something you might consider is...CLEANING! Clean the balls and tables and breaks will open MUCH wider and create less clusters and hopefully speed games up. If this isn't a problem for you, then good for you and good luck. But if its a typical bar it's probably rather filthy and this should help.

Good Luck
 
Sounds like you got a handle on it and other people gave good insight. Something you might consider is...CLEANING! Clean the balls and tables and breaks will open MUCH wider and create less clusters and hopefully speed games up. If this isn't a problem for you, then good for you and good luck. But if its a typical bar it's probably rather filthy and this should help.

Good Luck

i did brush the tables, I guess I will wipe the balls down this Monday. (good tip)
 
I didnt have any buys. I did a random draw and placed players by their number. It wont let me post a link to the bracket I used.
Since Fred is off right now, I will beat the horse.

If the entries don't fill up the chart, it is very, very important to put the blank (bye) spots in the correct places. Lots of tournament directors have no clue about this and big problems result. If you do fill up, no problem. If you don't, please, please, please for Fred's sake, GET THE BYE'S RIGHT.

There are some articles about seeding and tournament formats here:
http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/2002.pdf
http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/2001.pdf
They are towards the end of 2001 and the start of 2002.

If you use a 16-player chart, and you number the spots down the chart like:

1 -16 - 9 - 8 - 5 - 12 - 13 - 4 - 3 - 14 - 11 - 6 - 7 - 10 - 15 - 2

then you can just draw, for example, 1-13 for 13 players and put them in their newly numbered spots and the empty spots will take care of themselves. The byes go in 14, 15 and 16 and they are well separated.

I apologize if you did the right thing in your tournament, but from your comments it is not clear and it seems that you probably did not.

I hope this Freds.
 
One of the Sunday tournaments here use round robin. This accommodates both players who want to start early and those that come late. The top half of each field goes into a playoff for 1,2,3&4.
 
Since Fred is off right now, I will beat the horse.

If the entries don't fill up the chart, it is very, very important to put the blank (bye) spots in the correct places. Lots of tournament directors have no clue about this and big problems result. If you do fill up, no problem. If you don't, please, please, please for Fred's sake, GET THE BYE'S RIGHT.

There are some articles about seeding and tournament formats here:
http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/2002.pdf
http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/2001.pdf
They are towards the end of 2001 and the start of 2002.

If you use a 16-player chart, and you number the spots down the chart like:

1 -16 - 9 - 8 - 5 - 12 - 13 - 4 - 3 - 14 - 11 - 6 - 7 - 10 - 15 - 2

then you can just draw, for example, 1-13 for 13 players and put them in their newly numbered spots and the empty spots will take care of themselves. The byes go in 14, 15 and 16 and they are well separated.

I apologize if you did the right thing in your tournament, but from your comments it is not clear and it seems that you probably did not.

I hope this Freds.

Thank you, I need all the help I can get to make this tournament take off.
http://www.printyourbrackets.com/12teamdoubleelimination.html

this is the bracket I used. good? Bad? I will read your links. Thanks a bunch
 
Thanks for all the replies, I like the idea of a race to 1 for the losers bracket.

Cornerman, I printed off a couple brackets and they do all the work;) I'm pretty organized and the tourney ran smoothly. Thanks for the link.

If you do race to 1 on losers be sure to have runback. Its a big turnoff to lose a coin flip then have a guy break and run you out of the tournament.
 
Thank you, I need all the help I can get to make this tournament take off.
http://www.printyourbrackets.com/12teamdoubleelimination.html

this is the bracket I used. good? Bad? I will read your links. Thanks a bunch

I checked the 13-player bracket and it looks fine. It seems they have done the seeding and cross-placement correctly.

You should check the cross-placement yourself. The idea is that losers in the upper bracket shouldn't all go to the upper half of the one-loss bracket because that way they will have to play someone they have played before. Instead alternating rounds of losers should go to the upper and lower halves. In addition for large brackets you have to worry about whether they go to the upper half or lower half of the one-loss bracket. They probably got all of that right, but it's good to check.

Here's an alternative format that you might call mini-qualifier with buybacks. It's all played single elimination, but you can get back in:

You draw into groups of four as soon as you have 6 players present. Each group plays straight through to make one winner for the "final bracket". You continue to start mini groups of four until you run out of signups. If a player is eliminated, he can get back in for another entry fee. The only limit on re-tries is whether you have other people who want to get in.

Draw four spots for a mini each time you have 6 people on the list. After the first draw, put the two "leftovers" into the next mini, and when there are four more signups, draw two of them to match up with the two leftovers to form a new mini. This way the new signups won't know that they are going to be in "Big Willie's" group, which might cause them to hang back. The two new leftovers go for sure into the next mini.

The last mini can be just two players if that's all you can get at the end of the minis. If at the end you have only five on the list, you have to let the odd person (last signup) go. Maybe one of the others will volunteer to step out.

After you have run out of mini entrants, you start the finals. With 12 players present, I'd go for 6 finalists, so a max of 24 entries. The earliest qualifiers should get the byes, I think, because that encourages people to get there early, or you could just draw randomly.

This should work OK for two tables. Play race to one with a small entry fee -- maybe half of what you charge for double elimination. You will still get the same prize fund.

I think this format has a lot of advantages. If your game just is not there, you can stop after one match. If you arrive late, it's OK, you can still get in. If you win an early mini, you probably have time to go get dinner as long as you get back by 10 or whatever the announced finals time is. You can start earlier because you need only 6 players to show up before you start. If you arrive early and have a couple of bad games, you can try a third time, clock permitting.

This format is discussed in the links I posted earlier.
 
Back
Top