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Matt_24

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Anyone have idea which model JOSS this is? I know it is one of the upper models from 1989 (there is a similar one on Lucky's website but this is the original version).The cue was supposed to come with an original 89 catalog but the seller failed to deliver that *extra*. No biggie though.
Thanks,
Matt
 

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Here is a customized one I saw on another website at one point and saved the image on my search for this one. Kind of a nice variation! To give credit, I believe I copied this picture from the "Chalkers" website.
 

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Here is the model I want to get my hands on next.
 

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Matt_24 said:
Anyone have idea which model JOSS this is? I know it is one of the upper models from 1989 (there is a similar one on Lucky's website but this is the original version).The cue was supposed to come with an original 89 catalog but the seller failed to deliver that *extra*. No biggie though.
Thanks,
Matt


It's a J-17.

Andy
 
> The old Joss catlogs that had Mike Sigel and Nick Varner in them listed this as a Model 17,the numbering system was kind of odd,the top of the line was the Model 11,the cue that Matt 24 has provided here. This cue,with a lighter or natural stain inside the points with a rich brown forearm and the big ivory points is my single favorite cue of all time,the veneers in my Schon were stained to mimic this contrast in the front. The 11 had a retail price of 1850.00,and the 17 was 1495.00,remember this was late 80's/early 90's. I asked Danny Janes of Joss East about replicating this design in 1997,and was told that he either lost,destroyed or threw away the "pattern" that this cue was made from,assuming he used a pantograph type inlay machine back in those days,he almost certainly uses CNC now. Anyway,he said he would certainly make the cue,but I had to pay to duplicate the inlay patterns,making this a 7-8000 dollar cue. Lucky does have a variation of this design,but the inner veneer in the points comes to a sharp point,rather than the more aesthetically pleasing to me rounded version. These cues might have been reproduced 20-30 times each,maybe more,all with something different,so that no 2 are identical. There are also several floating around that have either Mike Sigel-World Champion,or Nick Varner-World Champion silk-screened on the joint collar,provided the exact age of the cue,the older ones have a smaller white logo on the collars,while the newest/last versions had the gold logo,but had the players name/WC in white. This example is on the late John Wright's site,and this was Sigel's exact cue,which sold,along with his case,Kersenbrock break cue,several extra shafts for each,and a COA for the paltry sum of 13k or so,a travesty considering the historical signifigance of this combo,it only won 50 titles or so with Sigel swinging it.


http://wrightcuecompany.com.previewyoursite.com/I/30608-row2-right.jpg


> Pics of the whole set can be seen at http://home.att.net/~wrightcuecompany/. The Sigel set,along with a very unique Nick varner-owned cue,can be seen in the Sold Cues section,the Sigel set is 5-6 cues up from the very bottom. Matt 24,you HAVE to get us better pictures of that Model 11. Tommy D.
 
Tommy-D said:
> The old Joss catlogs that had Mike Sigel and Nick Varner in them listed this as a Model 17,the numbering system was kind of odd,the top of the line was the Model 11,the cue that Matt 24 has provided here. This cue,with a lighter or natural stain inside the points with a rich brown forearm and the big ivory points is my single favorite cue of all time,the veneers in my Schon were stained to mimic this contrast in the front. The 11 had a retail price of 1850.00,and the 17 was 1495.00,remember this was late 80's/early 90's. I asked Danny Janes of Joss East about replicating this design in 1997,and was told that he either lost,destroyed or threw away the "pattern" that this cue was made from,assuming he used a pantograph type inlay machine back in those days,he almost certainly uses CNC now. Anyway,he said he would certainly make the cue,but I had to pay to duplicate the inlay patterns,making this a 7-8000 dollar cue. Lucky does have a variation of this design,but the inner veneer in the points comes to a sharp point,rather than the more aesthetically pleasing to me rounded version. These cues might have been reproduced 20-30 times each,maybe more,all with something different,so that no 2 are identical. There are also several floating around that have either Mike Sigel-World Champion,or Nick Varner-World Champion silk-screened on the joint collar,provided the exact age of the cue,the older ones have a smaller white logo on the collars,while the newest/last versions had the gold logo,but had the players name/WC in white. This example is on the late John Wright's site,and this was Sigel's exact cue,which sold,along with his case,Kersenbrock break cue,several extra shafts for each,and a COA for the paltry sum of 13k or so,a travesty considering the historical signifigance of this combo,it only won 50 titles or so with Sigel swinging it.


http://wrightcuecompany.com.previewyoursite.com/I/30608-row2-right.jpg


> Pics of the whole set can be seen at http://home.att.net/~wrightcuecompany/. The Sigel set,along with a very unique Nick varner-owned cue,can be seen in the Sold Cues section,the Sigel set is 5-6 cues up from the very bottom. Matt 24,you HAVE to get us better pictures of that Model 11. Tommy D.

Great post! I was confused..but you are right. The OTHER model you point out was Sigels. At first, I thought the one I had was but I was mistaken. The cue you point out is the one I'm looking for *next*. I waited long enough for this one..now my goal is 2006 is to find a copy of Sigel's. People don't want to part with them too quickly. The one Lucky had is nice, but I like the originals better. Thanks for the link to the website. Great stuff! I'll take better pics and get them on here.
 
Hi Matt_24

They are correct about the cue, it is a Joss 17, which had the gold veneer in the floating points.
I like the other one you posted with the red veneers in the floating points. It is a little more special since it is a Nick Varner #07 from 1989. It came with 2 shafts for around 950.00 in those days and you could only order it from Nick. To bad someone put that coin in it.....

I see we both like the same cue, happy hunting. Bugs. :~)
 
toomanybugs said:
Hi Matt_24

They are correct about the cue, it is a Joss 17, which had the gold veneer in the floating points.
I like the other one you posted with the red veneers in the floating points. It is a little more special since it is a Nick Varner #07 from 1989. It came with 2 shafts for around 950.00 in those days and you could only order it from Nick. To bad someone put that coin in it.....

I see we both like the same cue, happy hunting. Bugs. :~)

Toomanybugs,
Check your pms.
Matt
 
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