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Just read that Bob & Pat worked on the GC2's, that was a great choice...at least the GC2's are not stock as I know Bob's work well...but Valley's?:
new pool room opened
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Did you miss this post?
That wasn't your first post.
That was your AFTER THE FACT post where you realize you might have stepped in it and tried to save face.
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Good luck Philly! There's nothing more annoying thanusers criticizing you for how you are spending your money on your business. Ignore that and play on.Although, if you ever want to start your alcohol business, shoot me a message. I've run lots of bars and would love to set up a good alcohol business out of a pool hall. It's definitely an area to make more revenue and broaden your market when done right and by honest people.
Joined AZ this month, and you already know what qualifies someone to be an "armchair internet" user?...hmmmm...yet you've run lots of bars and know the value of having the sale of alcohol in a pool room, and what it can do for it revenue wise...and give your advice for free, no different that I gave my advice about using wornout pool tables to open with, but did agree that if Bob rebuilt the tables...that was a step in the right direction....but I'm an "armchair internet user"...you don't know me to well:rotflmao1:
That wasn't your first post.
That was you AFTER THE FACT post where you realize you might have stepped in it and tried to save face.
I still stand by my first post, but if mention of the work done on the pool tables by Bob was in the OP....I'd have said that was a good first move. I dare anyone to open a pool room today with stock, worn out GC2's that have NOT been modified to play on before opening and see what happens to the pool room. I get requests all the time to go to a pool room somewhere and rebuild all the GC's so that they'll play up to todays standards, or at least help work a deal with Diamond to replace the GC's. The problem with fixing up the GC's the right way, is that there's only a handfull of table mechanic's in this whole country that can do the job right in the first place.
So, in your opinion a person's ability to spot an armchair internet quarterback is based on how long they've been a member of the azbilliards forum? Interesting...
My offer was given in my own desire to run an alcohol business out of a pool room and was applicable because they could realistically decide at any point to add alcohol sales to their business. Yours was offered after they already decided on, and purchased tables and to heed your advice they would need to sell all their tables and get new ones. Not realistic at all. Just pure criticism for the sake of being critical because you don't like their choice. I don't care if they sell alcohol or not and I know they can be profitable with, or without alcohol, just as they can be profitable with, or without diamond tables...
Why don't you take a step back and realize that this thread is NOT about your skills as a mechanic, and what YOU feel makes or breaks a poolroom.
First thing that will kill a pool room is LOCATION. Not the equipment.
There are PLENTY of recreational players who could give a crap what the heck they are playing on, so long as it is convenient.
Why can't you just wish someone well, and get off the "i am the greatest table mechanic alive, Diamond is the greatest table ever made" spiel that you bring up all the damn time?
Believe me, no one cares how great you are, when it comes to a thread about a new pool room opening.
Glen:
You know I appreciate your renowned skill as THE premiere table mechanic in the country, if not the world. And I'm a biiiiiig booster of Diamond tables as well -- they're my favorite table to play on, and a 10x5 Diamond is on my bucket list.
However, I think you're just a weeeeee bit over the top in your "all or nothing" approach to Gold Crown tables. While getting a renowned table mechanic to work on a Gold Crown to "Diamondize" it would be the pinnacle of a Gold Crown owner's dream, to say that nothing less than this results in a substandard platform that the public at large would shun is rather extremist.
For example, a pool hall that opened near my area a couple years ago, Fast Eddies in New Milford, CT, is going gangbusters right now:
http://newstimes.com/news/article/Fast-Eddie-s-more-than-just-another-pool-hall-3615154.php#src=fb
And guess what? While Eddie fancies himself as a table mechanic (I have to say, the tables there play GREAT), the reason why his business is doing so well is NOT due to the tables. Rather, it's the way Eddie runs his business, and moulds/adapts to ever-changing customer demand. Eddie is a very smart business owner, that listens to his customers and makes his business fit the customers, not the other way around.
I know you mean well, but sometimes one can get lost in one's own advocacy, and lose sight of the big picture.
Just food for thought,
-Sean
Time answers all questions buddy, and who the FOOL is...so the question is...without alcohol or food in your place...will you still be paying the rent in a year, or borrowing money from mom/dad to keep the place afloat...or will you be smart and put it in...but it's your ship...and you ARE Commander
Glen
well there is no mom and dad . Im grown and i have plenty of my own money, and the rent will always get paid and for the record we have food and beer.
Congrats...should have been included in your first post, would have helped, that's a good thing
Fast Eddies is getting ready to close it's doors near Havelock, NC...the tables are so bad, that they've lost a lot of their customer base, I know the person already waiting to buy it after it closes its doors...not that it matters any, but I hear ya
Good luck Philly! There's nothing more annoying than armchair internet users criticizing you for how you are spending your money on your business. Ignore that and play on.
Thank you. for your support. I am really not interested in opening a bar out of my pool room, for the simple fact i own a bar and restaurant in delaware county pennyslvania and i got into this pool room more to be strickly about pool, although it is byob we do not sell beer. But thanks anyway
thank you for your support and Yes pamela is a great talent and loves this game called pool.
Fast Eddies is getting ready to close it's doors near Havelock, NC...the tables are so bad, that they've lost a lot of their customer base, I know the person already waiting to buy it after it closes its doors...not that it matters any, but I hear ya
Glen:
Although they may have the same namesake, there is no relation between the room in NC and the one in CT. Eddie Locke in CT only owns one room, which is the one in New Milford, CT. This room is doing very, very well -- which is unfortunately rare in our industry.
"Fast Eddie" is probably the most common moniker used by room owners or would-be room owners. CT's Eddie Locke is in his 60s, so he obviously has a bit of seniority over a 30- or 40-something upstart.
Anyway, name discussions aside, I think that while table maintenance (or lack of) definitely has input into how a pool room will do, it's not the main determiner -- which was the original point. Rather, the *business owner* -- and his savvy/fleet-footedness (or lack of) -- has more of an effect in how a pool business will do, rather than "the tables alone."
It's an easy excuse to point the finger at the tables and say, "that's the reason why your pool business failed." I bet my hat there's much more to that story than just the tables -- that's just the tip of the iceberg.
-Sean
I have nothing against the Gold Crown tables at all, in fact I could have interrupted the sale of these Diamond's by rebuilding all the GC's at Felts...but I don't feel it's my place to intervene in cases like these, as it would be really unfair to Diamond...and Brunswick for that matter. Having Bob rebuild the GC2's was a smart decision, that's all, as opposed to trying to operate the GC2's as stock, worn out pool tables...aready in need of being worked on to get them to play right in the first place...on opening day. I'm not knocking what took place...only WHAT could have taken place had nothing been done to the GC2's in the first place.
Glen
And for what it's worth, Bob is one of the best table mechanic's in this country...don't loose his phone number, or undercut him in prices to have your tables worked in in the future...he's worth every dollar he charges and then some
Good luck hard work and desire accomplishes much!
I respect you and Pamela, as you both are always nice and friendly!!
Karen m and harry m will be down soon to play some and wish you both the best!!!:thumbup:
I respect you and Pamela, as you both are always nice and friendly!!
Karen m and harry m will be down soon to play some and wish you both the best!!!:thumbup:
Great article!
I hope what I'm about to say is obvious to you, but the best way to ensure your business is successful, is to LISTEN to your customers. Also, don't be afraid to experiment a little. That is, don't think your room has to be a stodgy pool hall that is a flashback from the 1970s, to think it can "earn" the title of "pool room."
I think from the description you provided thus far, you've already greased the skids and laid the foundation for that. Continue with that.
Also, you might want to avoid going head-to-head (or toe-to-toe) with folks here on AZB. The old saying about "dropping one's pants" applies here.
I offer you the sincerest wishes for a prosperous business! If I'm in the area, I'll definitely stop by.
-Sean
Time answers all questions buddy, and who the FOOL is...so the question is...without alcohol or food in your place...will you still be paying the rent in a year, or borrowing money from mom/dad to keep the place afloat...or will you be smart and put it in...but it's your ship...and you ARE Commander
Glen
glen your just an idiot you always gotta think you know everything and you dont , your an arrogant person , a great pool table mechanic , but still an arrogant person why couldnt you just say good luck or be supportive in the beginning thats my opinion. as for back pocket billiard club its a great pool room and their doing well their . i wish their were more poolroom owners like this . and regarding the equipment , the tables roll just fine . and buy the way glen you should know how many pool rooms do have diamonds vs gold crowns anyway it doesnt make a hoo haa what table you have as long as it playes right .