New Predator Table

skogstokig said:
not a fan of counters, or anything metal and potentially shaft scratching that protrudes from the top of the rail
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I agree. I'm a big fan of beads, especially the ones meant for 14.1. When they're installed well (like, on a metal rod), it offers a very satisfying feeling when you get to flip a bead to score your wins. Rail counters are far less satisfying and it's harder, as a spectator, to follow what's happening.
 
Island Drive said:
FWIW
I just wrote to em and mentioned, ball box?, rake holders? and foot rail score counters like the GC's.
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Not many people want counters on tables anymore. It’s not 1940. Lol and rake holders. You can install them your self with parts from Lowe’s in about 5 mins.
 
pt109 said:
I found Kim Steels played too short....I actually think the rails are too low ( the old ones)
..even the carom tables were a half diamond short.
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When you say the rails are too low, you mean the nose of the rail, that contacts the ball, is too low? That's interesting, I never noticed that in comparison to other table brands. I have noticed the Sam tables play short occasionally, though. Or, because I'm so used to them, other tables play a bit long sometimes.
 
skogstokig said:
not a fan of counters, or anything metal and potentially shaft scratching that protrudes from the top of the rail
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I prefer beads or coins under the rail best. Counters are very easy to have "mistakes" with.
 
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JohnnyOzone said:
If not for the USA, everybody in Spain would be speaking German :)
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If Spain had been successful, EVERYBODY in the Americas would be speaking Spanish. They'd be calling NYC "Ciudad Nueva Jork." 'Course, LA and San Francisco wouldn't have to change the stationary. Florida would be the jalapeno capitol of the Universe.

Viva Seve!

Donde esta la mesa de billar? Amigo, wanna choot sum pooool?
 
Okay, so after one day of watching the WPC center table matches, I can safely say that these "Predator-Sam"-tables are nowhere near as unforgiving as the Sam tables I'm used to. Seen a lot of hit-both-jaws-and-still-drops, not to mention the shots down the rail that hit about a diamond from the pocket and still drop - no chance in hell on our tables.
So they must have cut the jaws in such a way to make them more easy? Although, the new slick cloth will help too, I guess. So we'll see if this changes towards wednesday/thursday.
 
hotelyorba said:
Okay, so after one day of watching the WPC center table matches, I can safely say that these "Predator-Sam"-tables are nowhere near as unforgiving as the Sam tables I'm used to. Seen a lot of hit-both-jaws-and-still-drops, not to mention the shots down the rail that hit about a diamond from the pocket and still drop - no chance in hell on our tables.
So they must have cut the jaws in such a way to make them more easy? Although, the new slick cloth will help too, I guess. So we'll see if this changes towards wednesday/thursday.
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New slick cloth has a lot to with it. Seen the same thing at Derby when the cloth was fresh.
 
hotelyorba said:
When you say the rails are too low, you mean the nose of the rail, that contacts the ball, is too low? That's interesting, I never noticed that in comparison to other table brands. I have noticed the Sam tables play short occasionally, though. Or, because I'm so used to them, other tables play a bit long sometimes.
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They will always play short with Arthimis cushions. ALWAYS!


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Predator has excellent marketing skills, but from what I seen at WPA, I doubt they will bump Diamond down the market ladder. Only Diamond can do that to themselves.... if they let quality slip.
 
ThinSlice said:
Guaranteed it’s a multi-year deal.


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Disappointed in WPC on predator table. Heard the tables play extremely easy compared to Diamond. Weak final eight in WPC because I think equipment was not as competitive enough and gave weaker players a chance against top pros. Would love to see how it rates against other tables when you use this to really see how tough a table plays… I use this and Diamond always above 1.0…. Curious to see what predator tables come out with shelf depth etc… Table Difficulty Factor or TDF does work pretty good… https://billiards.colostate.edu/faq/table/tdf/
 
garczar said:
Next to zero. Most people can't run five balls into a peach basket and yet all people on here talk about is how pockets need to be tighter. Crazy imo.
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Thank you! You quickly ascertained my import (a meaning that is not expressly stated but can be inferred).

Now tell them who buys pool tables.
 
Very easy to have Professional Tournament Spec rails for professional events and the tour they are launching with CSI. Sell tables with buckets to the general population and use the tight equipment at the pro level.
 
If anybody around here had the balls to peel it open, they'd see that nobody really give a shit what pros do. Well, maybe the wannabees care.

Predator will be selling tables to people with real jobs and enough brains to make it in the real world.
 
Boxcar said:
If anybody around here had the balls to peel it open, they'd see that nobody really give a shit what pros do. Well, maybe the wannabees care.

Predator will be selling tables to people with real jobs and enough brains to make it in the real world.
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And that's fine. They can sell bucket tables to the bangers but should use tighter equipment for professional events. I understand the end game for Predator is to sell tables but this conversation was specific to the difficulty of the table used in a professional event. Many are of the opinion the table is not up to par in terms of difficulty compared to other tables being used in professional events; namely Diamond and Rasson. This may or may not be by design but IMO professionals should compete on tough equipment. Professional PGA Golfers don't tee off from the Forward or Middle tee boxes. As such, professional level pool players shouldn't play on easy (comparatively speaking) tables.
 
rexus31 said:
And that's fine. They can sell bucket tables to the bangers but should use tighter equipment for professional events. I understand the end game for Predator is to sell tables but this conversation was specific to the difficulty of the table used in a professional event. Many are of the opinion the table is not up to par in terms of difficulty compared to other tables being used in professional events; namely Diamond and Rasson. This may or may not be by design but IMO professionals should compete on tough equipment. Professional PGA Golfers don't tee off from the Forward or Middle tee boxes. As such, professional level pool players shouldn't play on easy (comparatively speaking) tables.
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I am in total agreement. The only defense golf courses have is length, width of fairways, strategic placement of hazards and topography, both on the green and through the green. The defense pool tables have is the size of the pockets. Toughness of conditions always makes the cream rise to the top.

Professional events are an advertising opportunity for vendors. Prize money comes from where? So, vendors are not involved altruistically. The goal is to sell product. They don't care who wins the tournament. I fact, an excellent marketing ploy would be to create an environment where an "underdog" can win. Pros make some people go ,"Ooooh-Ahhh" but pool pros don't pay my rent and I don't care what they do, and as the consumer, I am (as a representative of John Q. Public) the one who keeps the vendors alive.

But, that's not the point. The critics of the nuancing of tournament table specifications represent even a smaller slice of the pool population than the pros represent. Their opinions make for good copy here at AZB, but in the final analysis they don't matter. What matters is the guy who buys one and takes it home.
 
I understand all that but professional players should play on more challenging equipment than your average league banger. If not, let's just have pro events on 7' Valley's with 5.5" buckets.
 
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