New progress video (month 7) - Constructive criticism is welcome and appreciated

0:52, horrible cueball placement with ball in hand. On this 1-ball that 6-ball on the rail is in the way of the path you would actually want the cueball to travel, which is why you hit the cueball short and went into your next object ball. You got "really" lucky to hit the 4-ball the way you did and still leave yourself a shot, if that cueball hits the 4-ball a little higher towards the headrail side of the 4-ball you were SOL. You got really lucky to hit it dead straight and still have it pass the 7-ball. The correct pattern for that shot was to take the cueball and place it about exactly where the line between the two side pockets and the line between the 6-ball and 8-ball bisect. That leaves you with about a 1/2-2/3rds ball cut to the right, which you play with a bit of low left and run the cueball two rails off nearly the center of the footrail and into the side rail at roughly 1.5 diamonds up from the footrail. This leaves the cueball playing into the angle on the 4-ball in the side. You paly the shot with the speed to come off the side rail 3-4 inches or so with the cueball following the path of a straight in shot on the 4-ball.

9:44 you miss the 5-ball. If you watch your pre-shot routine and getting down on the shot you will see you are pretty much still walking around the table half hunched down as you got down on the shot. It caused you to be set up poorly which was part of the reason you missed (I will cover the "other" part of why you missed that below). In most of your shots you are actually fairly good about stand up and approaching the shot from behind the cueball and only "then" getting down into your stance. Don't get fast and skip that step, most great players are methodical about their approach and setup and they do not compromise that even on the easier shots that many armatures think are easy and take for granted.

22:01. You "attempt" to play a draw shot to go from the 4 back to the 5-ball and end up hooking yourself. Looking at your warmup strokes prior to shooting the shot even before I saw it I knew you were in trouble. You are cueing the ball at almost center ball on the warmup strokes and when you actually took the shot you dove the tip through the follow-through after contact. You hit that ball with almost center ball which is why it stunned instead of giving you the draw you needed. A little bit of left hand siding would have also helped the cueball spin back towards the proper path towards the line you wanted to be on for the 5-ball. You also hit the ball hard, given where the 9-ball is you really did not want to do "too" much with the cueball there. About 6 inches off the side rail and parallel with the 7-ball is all you could really do there leaving yourself a 5-ball with tops and maybe a bit of left hand siding to come down for the 6-ball on the rail. Playing for a straighter 5-ball then that flirts with the 9-ball too much for a power draw shot.

Overall comment on your ability to see the angles the cueball comes off at. You see this poorly. You use your arm and cue to attempt to see the right angle of the cueball path coming off the object ball. It is not working.

Your shot on the 9-ball was not even close to a scratch playing tops or even center ball. The cueball is below the footspot, it is quite a thin cut, it is clear with center ball or a little left hand siding (if you play outside siding on cuts as many better players tend to at times) that the cueball is going to the upper diamond on the footrail as we face the table. Given the exact placement of the 9-ball and the cueball it would actually take a "really" good draw stroke to pocket that 9-ball and scratch in the corner, we are talking Busty levels of spin.

As per my comment above about 9:44 this killed you again because your inability to judge the angle the cueball was going to take ended up in you playing the shape very wrong. The natural angle for the cueball with center ball is hitting "just" low of the center diamond on the footrail as we face it. The only way to scratch on that shot is to power draw it, which is actually what you attempted to do but you undercut the 5-ball and that is the only reason you were able to pull the cueball above the corner and into the 6-ball. You had an easy and safe shape shot there playing a lower power stroke with a little bit of lower right hand siding, sending the cueball into footrail at about 1.5 diamonds up from the corner, and then having the running English track the cueball to about 1.5 diamonds from that same corner into the long rail around the 6-ball. Now your cueball is traveling along the angle of the shot on the 6-ball and almost regardless of speed of the shot you are going to fall on it. For ease of the next shot the center of the table would be perfect.
 
Once again not bashing Sam but see this is where I feel uncomfortable about certain aspects of the whole thing.
See for me i'd rather see a guy miss every ball but look good doing it rather than the opposite, because shot making comes but fundaments don't if you develop a bad habit (as you'll hear other testify) you could be doomed for life.

Sam the best advice I can give to you is to never shoot another rack of 9 ball for the rest of this month and focus only of
a) building a solid consistent stance
b) developing a PSR around that
c) working on a smooth clean stroke with follow through
d) spend a s**t load of time getting a "Feel" for the shot/cue/ball
i.e. speed control drills (1,2,3, etc diamond follow, draw)(1,2,3 rail) and stun (extensive stun drills, meaning stunning to different point like with the wagon wheel), short stun (meaning how to hold up the ball) everyone can hit hard very few can hold up the CB

ball pocketing is secondary in my eyes because it's a bonus while you do drills, so that means it comes. I just can't help but feel like you are more concerned on pocketing balls solely because I don't see the buildup or dedication to the build up. I know you frequent this site so i'm sure you've heard the influx of people who are now working or wish they had the clean shooting style of the EUR and Asians

I'm also saying this because of you tangent line issue, I get the impression that you feel that the tangent line applies to all shot and thus why you check it as much as you do, not realizing that follow changes that, and again this is why i feel that you do not spend as much time on it as you should.

I'll try to catch one of your streams if i can.

Just to continue on this, about 2.5 years ago, I had a coach come at my place for a week. I learned so much stuff, both regarding the stroke and the game itself.

I had to completly change my stroke. It did NOT happen overnight. I practiced my stroke and PSR for 5 months, around 1-2h per day, just shooting ball to actually practice my stroke/PSR. I didn't care if the ball dropped in the pocket or not. It took me 5 months before I could say I was confortable shooting the way I do.

I'm pretty sure my stroke is far from perfect, but almost every week, someone I don't really know (an opponent in my league, tournament, etc) compliments me on my stroke, they tell me I should be AA as oppose to A (just because I look good doesn't mean I'm AA by any means!). I guess what I'm trying to say is that my stroke/PSR/pace/etc looks much better than player my caliber.

I'm doing exactly that, working every (almost) day on my fundamental as part of my training. When a big tournament is around the corner, I completly stop "learning" new stuff and go back to working on my fundamental 1-2h a day to make sure I get back to basics.

Most new players will want to run table, pocket balls, and simply don't want to change their stroke! Guess what, I see player that were stronger than me 1-2 years ago that now are a lot weaker than I am!

Keep up the good work!
 
Does it affect the quality of the video noticeably?

I think the last video post was great. 10 racks against the ghost is a great way to gauge someone's improvement. I also liked how you linked the times to the start of each rack in the description. I say if you want to keep showing your progress post videos like this.
 
Does it affect the quality of the video noticeably?

anytime you compress a file you loose quality, the positive thing is that it is not really noticed when viewed on anything less than a TV. Plus since it's mp4 the file size is small to begin with so no compression needed means you keep the quality until it hits youtube.

unless you are making dvds it's not that big of a deal. When i do a dvd i'm coming from 1080 cause i know the person is watching it on a tv.
 
Once again not bashing Sam but see this is where I feel uncomfortable about certain aspects of the whole thing.
See for me i'd rather see a guy miss every ball but look good doing it rather than the opposite, because shot making comes but fundaments don't if you develop a bad habit (as you'll hear other testify) you could be doomed for life.
I have to agree. The best way to improve is not to take a bunch of (often conflicting) suggestions from the peanut gallery. You already have an instructor. Putting yourself up for public consumption like this is unproductive at best and actively bad for your game at worst.
 
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Just to continue on this, about 2.5 years ago, I had a coach come at my place for a week. I learned so much stuff, both regarding the stroke and the game itself.

I had to completly change my stroke. It did NOT happen overnight. I practiced my stroke and PSR for 5 months, around 1-2h per day, just shooting ball to actually practice my stroke/PSR. I didn't care if the ball dropped in the pocket or not. It took me 5 months before I could say I was confortable shooting the way I do.

I'm pretty sure my stroke is far from perfect, but almost every week, someone I don't really know (an opponent in my league, tournament, etc) compliments me on my stroke, they tell me I should be AA as oppose to A (just because I look good doesn't mean I'm AA by any means!). I guess what I'm trying to say is that my stroke/PSR/pace/etc looks much better than player my caliber.

I'm doing exactly that, working every (almost) day on my fundamental as part of my training. When a big tournament is around the corner, I completly stop "learning" new stuff and go back to working on my fundamental 1-2h a day to make sure I get back to basics.

Most new players will want to run table, pocket balls, and simply don't want to change their stroke! Guess what, I see player that were stronger than me 1-2 years ago that now are a lot weaker than I am!

Keep up the good work!

Testimony right there. Unfortunately what you just mentioned is a weakness in my armor, because so many people see me play and hype my game up so much it "at times" give me the impression that i'm better than i am and thus beat myself up when i make errors (more so than I normally do, cause i'm really hard on myself naturally). But thanks to what you mentioned and agreed with me on it allowed me to snap off my local 14.1 league recently.
Usually i take the next season off to work of my flaws from the previous but this time i'm going to jump right back in. Really makes my day to know i'm not the only weirdo that believes in working or the finer things.

Wow an A, i'm not there yet (but I've been accused) but working on it. There's not much of a difference from A to AA my friend so don't sell yourself short, your work ethics won't let you down at this stage.
 
See for me i'd rather see a guy miss every ball but look good doing it rather than the opposite, because shot making comes but fundaments don't if you develop a bad habit (as you'll hear other testify) you could be doomed for life.

From what I have seen for a couple decades and change in this game I disagree with that completely. I have seen some newer players who obtained rock solid fundamentals, great pre-shot routine, solid proper positioned stance, and unbelievably straight strokes. Many of those guys got "pretty good" fast and then peaked early and never really got anywhere. They have huge amounts of "technique" but no "feel" and focused on fundamentals way too much and formed very rigid unnatural and uncomfortable games.

If a person is showing great fundamentals, a great looking stroke, and missing every ball something is VERY wrong and he should not just keep doing that until balls start to find the pocket. As good as that stroke might look, if it is truly straight and fundamentally sound, that means that guy cannot aim worth a lick if he is missing everything. He is sighting the shots completely wrong and if you are down on a shot and cannot "see" the aim point and stroke the cueball to that correct spot your fundamentally sound stroke is completely worthless.

If you have a guy who does not look that fundamentally sound, but he shoots the balls in from everywhere then you have a strong set of eyes and natural talent there, they know how to aim and how to "see" the shot and if they are playing a variety of spins on the cueball and still firing the balls in they are showing huge amounts of innate knowledge on deflection. throw, and other things that can be objectively "taught" but that must be subjectively "mastered".
 
Spimp if you looking into recording yourself depending on what environment you're working with find you a cheap iPhone or iPod and trust me you can go far back "i started with a 3gs, use that for now as you continue to explore options for a camera.
I guess you're not posting it anywhere so you can plug up and watch on your computer, since the device will have no app and only a few photos (i'm assuming you'll take pic of certain table layouts) you'll have the entire device space to use.

I was just going to film some 9 ball ghost action and post it on my youtube page. I think I can do that with my lg g4 as it gives me the option to "share" to which one of the options was youtube...it just may day a half day to upload a 15 minute clip :). It's not a critical thing since I am pretty much retired from pool for a while, but I still like to see how much I have regressed so I know what I need to work on if I start playing again.
 
From what I have seen for a couple decades and change in this game I disagree with that completely. I have seen some newer players who obtained rock solid fundamentals, great pre-shot routine, solid proper positioned stance, and unbelievably straight strokes. Many of those guys got "pretty good" fast and then peaked early and never really got anywhere. They have huge amounts of "technique" but no "feel" and focused on fundamentals way too much and formed very rigid unnatural and uncomfortable games.

If a person is showing great fundamentals, a great looking stroke, and missing every ball something is VERY wrong and he should not just keep doing that until balls start to find the pocket. As good as that stroke might look, if it is truly straight and fundamentally sound, that means that guy cannot aim worth a lick if he is missing everything. He is sighting the shots completely wrong and if you are down on a shot and cannot "see" the aim point and stroke the cueball to that correct spot your fundamentally sound stroke is completely worthless.

If you have a guy who does not look that fundamentally sound, but he shoots the balls in from everywhere then you have a strong set of eyes and natural talent there, they know how to aim and how to "see" the shot and if they are playing a variety of spins on the cueball and still firing the balls in they are showing huge amounts of innate knowledge on deflection. throw, and other things that can be objectively "taught" but that must be subjectively "mastered".

Ok so
a) you just said you disagree with "my opinion" that's pretty strong
b) as you said they improved at a rapid pace so point made
c) someone reaching a peak is a limit on "their" ability and not on the method
d) stop taking things to literal

so in closing, it feels incredibly close to impossible for an individual to master fundaments and not have picked up ball pocketing along the way. Now we have learnt that dominant eye can greatly affect ones ability to "see" the shot but that would apply to anyone using any method, soooo.

based on what you are saying it confesses me a bit on why there are so many league players that don't really improve after yeaaaaars of playing but makes those incredible cut shot on a regular basis, could it be because they never applied themselves to other aspect of the game? but no wait cause that would describe the people who peaked that you mentioned earlier. It's no secret that sound fundaments lead to ball pocketing with a person suffering on certain shot due to that "vision center" issue.
 
I was just going to film some 9 ball ghost action and post it on my youtube page. I think I can do that with my lg g4 as it gives me the option to "share" to which one of the options was youtube...it just may day a half day to upload a 15 minute clip :). It's not a critical thing since I am pretty much retired from pool for a while, but I still like to see how much I have regressed so I know what I need to work on if I start playing again.

totally get what you're saying but that's also why a dedicate device works best. You don't loose any space on your phone and you can leave it home up loading without any data issue while you'er away.
 
From what I have seen for a couple decades and change in this game I disagree with that completely..

Well then it must be me cause i could of sworn that that is exactly what you did here, but maybe i read it wrong like you possibly did my post.
 
Sam -

I have checked in on a couple of your videos but didn't really have enough time to comment or watch carefully. Here are my thoughts on the first couple of racks on this one:
1) Your bridge length is probably too long. I saw that Tate and Icon of Sin both mentioned this. Scott Lee didn't mention this specifically but I'm sure if you worked with him that would be one of the things he would work on.

Some players naturally need a longer bridge length. I don't think you are one of them. It creates a situation where you are hitting the CB at the end of your stroke after your wrist has already broken, the tip of the cue is moving down and the cue is likely decelerating. This will cause you much heartache later on if you don't correct it.

2) Your approach feels a little too mechanical for this point in your development. While it is important to visualize tangent lines and analyze the table, I think you are missing something by not just shooting and paying attention to what the CB does, how far it travels and what different english does etc... You might be doing that outside of the videos but it doesn't feel like it.

Developing feel comes from hitting a lot of shots. The timeframe to develop feel can be shortened by using a system or framework for thinking about things. By shortened I mean instead of hitting a million balls maybe you can develop feel by hitting half a million balls. Still a lot of work.

Scott Lee teaches a framework that will help you develop feel more quickly. I developed my own framework when I was starting out which I don't want to get into but it's similar in theory to Scott's.

3) Your shot selection is poor at times. In the second rack - following the 1 ball into the side was a poor choice for a couple of reasons:
a) It made the shot harder.
b) To get the leave on the two ball you had to roll forward to a precise position across the position line and close to the ball. This gives you the lowest margin of error on the shot. The smallest area you can put the CB in and have good position.

Shooting the 1 ball in the corner it was close to with a little angle and stun english so that the CB went to the rail and came out on the line of the shot you wanted on the two ball would have given you a much, much larger margin of error on the position for the two ball. Any position from 6-8 inches after you hit the one to the rail and back out 1-1.5 feet or so would have left you with a good shot. And the rail absorbs some energy from the cueball which makes your margin of error larger for position.

Overall good work.
 
Well then it must be me cause i could of sworn that that is exactly what you did here,

I disagreed with your opinion, I totally did.

The question I asked though,

Is it your stance that once you state your opinion that no one else has the right to state that in their own opinion they disagree with yours?

That is "pretty strong" if anyone dares tell you "I disagree"? Seriously?
 
Sam, I just watched your video ( portions of it ). It's been awhile since I watched one of you videos and imo you seem to be pocketing balls a little better and a little more consistently . As someone has mentioned, I did notice the long bridge. I'm not necessarily saying that's bad or wrong because sometimes being comfortable is more important but none the less it's noticeable . Sam I have to ask you a serious wuestion, and there is a specific reason I amean asking. At any point since you started playing have you full on free stroked at all?
 
I disagreed with your opinion, I totally did.

The question I asked though,

Is it your stance that once you state your opinion that no one else has the right to state that in their own opinion they disagree with yours?

That is "pretty strong" if anyone dares tell you "I disagree"? Seriously?

Have a good day sir. smh
 
I just want you to be sure that you understand how the tangent line works. The cue ball WILL follow the tangent line but ONLY IF THE CUE BALL IS SLIDING WHEN IT HITS THE OBJECT BALL. If the cue ball is rolling forward it will go forward of the tangent line. If the call is spinning backwards (as in a draw shot) the cue ball will travel a line prior to the tangent line.

If you were to scratch on that 9 ball where you were checking the tangent line, you would have to put some reasonable draw in order to accomplish that.

That being said, I see you have improved. Break needs work but so does mine.

Another suggestion to the viewers: Change the speed on the video so you can watch more, faster....or not.

JoeyA

That is what I was doing, I had some doubt in my mind that it might scratch and wanted to be 100% sure. I still have some difficulty seeing easily the tangent line and where the cueball is gonna go so I have to use little "tricks" like this to make sure until it becomes more natural.

Also, I will look at the pattern you suggested. Choosing the right pattern is also an area where I have a lot of difficulty.
 
If the cue ball is rolling forward it will go forward of the tangent line. If the call is spinning backwards (as in a draw shot) the cue ball will travel a line prior to the tangent line.


I am aware of that but wanted no doubt in my mind that I would scratch :)


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There's not much of a difference from A to AA my friend so don't sell yourself short, your work ethics won't let you down at this stage.


You are a self admitted B player, yet you feel qualified to tell people who play better than you about what is needed to reach THEIR next level.....

Apparently people have been blowing smoke up your ass about your 'nuggets of wisdom' as well. :thumbup:
 
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