New to 14.1 ...some thoughts and ideas...

chefjeff

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Hi,

I'm just learning this game....it was actually the first game I ever played back in the 60s, but didn't stick to it. Whoops! Went to bar table 8-ball, etc. until this May when I was invited by Williebetmore to his house to take lessons from Danny Diliberto. I had a couple of 20 something runs there and that surprised me, based on my previous feeble attempts. I came home determined to learn this game once and for all. I know this will help me in 8-ball league this winter.

I've been practicing by myself for a few hours a day on a small 8 footer (crowded and slow). I'm mostly trying to get a feel for potting balls and not too much on the safety/strategy part....yet. I've bought Capelle's book and that helps, but not through it yet.

I've had about three competitive games so far (not many straight players around here). One with the 8-ball state champ...I beat him. Another with my first "teacher" a guy that played Mosconi at a college exhibition and was beating him until Willie pulled his "This is my show, dude" routine. He beat me 50 to 40 something. I felt pretty good about that...until....

Yesterday, I had the distinct pleasure to go against Don McCoy at his bar and grill on a 9 foot GC. Now Don showed me how to really play this game. Don beat me 100 to 44 or something like that....we weren't competing so much as just playing. Don hadn't played straights for decades and he never did do tournaments, but just used it for practice. But he showed me many things, especially that I was choosing the wrong break ball often. His cueball control is just outstanding.

Don has been kinda burnt out re pool lately, but he said he really enjoyed the play and was going to start practicing 14.1 again. I wish it was me that inspired him to play agains, but....oh well, back to the practice table. I've made the commitment to play him once per week for this summer, and he agreed to it, which surprised me, as I'm an amateur and he gets much less from the experience that I do.

I'll stop....there's more to tell, but I just thought I'd give my thoughts as they might be useful for the experienced players here for understanding how we newbies think about this wonderful game.

Jeff Livingston
 
Jeff, glad to see your interest in 14.1 again and hope you enjoy it every step of the way!

Kev
 
Jeff,

it was very pleasing to read your thoughts as I have started playing this game only a few weeks ago. I began practicing by just putting up all the balls on the table - well-spread them everywhere - and just began potting them. No particular order, no rules, nothing, just potting the balls. After finishing them I put them up again. In this way I had a "break" (if I can call it that way...) of 54 this way.

A local pro player told me that I should begin with this before playing straight pool.

On the other hand I could get the impression from your post that you are not in the need of these excersises as you are a better (I'd guess much better) player than I am, so what I have said so far would be for those just about to begin playing straight pool and - like me - not being "ball-proof" / effective enough.

Naturally this thread is not about me but your great experiences so I apologize for those said but I felt like they would match here.

I wish you have a great time playing straight pool - in my honest opinion it is the best and superior game that can be played on a pocket billiard table.

One last line: it would be nice to hear how you progress and advance in straight pool so if you have the chance, post how you improved even more.
 
Jeff,

I'm in Ames... If you ever get up this way let me know and we can play a little. I don't play too strong; lucky to get one or two runs in the twentys on a good day. Most the time I can't do that; however, I do enjoy playing the game a lot. In fact, it is really the only game I like playing other than 1p. There are also a few other guys around that may give you a game.

The Corner Pocket is the bar. If your not familiar it has 12 Bar boxes, 3 9 foots and one 12 foot snooker. It's on the east end of main street, north side of the road. The last block before Duff.

Let me know if you are ever interested. PM's are fine or stop in the bar and ask the bar tender if I'm around. If I'm not, they can get ahold of me.

Jered
 
It's simply good sense to get hooked on this game. In the movie "Saving Silverman" a young woman in a convent tells the reverend mother that she won't be becoming a nun. When she leaves the room the reverend mother says, "Damn, we lost another one!"
I picture the 9-ball gods saying the same.
 
bluepepper said:
It's simply good sense to get hooked on this game. In the movie "Saving Silverman" a young woman in a convent tells the reverend mother that she won't be becoming a nun. When she leaves the room the reverend mother says, "Damn, we lost another one!"
I picture the 9-ball gods saying the same.

I bet the nine ball gods have been getting worried for a while now. That part of history is coming to an end slowly...
 
Jallan said:
I bet the nine ball gods have been getting worried for a while now. That part of history is coming to an end slowly...

I actually kind of like playing 9-ball as a short break from playing too much straight, but as a viewer, I just lose interest after a little while. I tried getting into the online stream the other day, and I just couldn't stay for long. I'm amazed at how well the 9-ballers pocket tough shots though.

Straight pool I could watch for hours on end, because it's like a puzzle. I try to pick out and predict patterns while watching.
 
14.1

Hey Jeff

Next year when I come back to Iowa we will play some 14.1. I have become very addicted to the game during pool season.

Kevin
 
Welcome to the world of 14.1. I guarantee that this game will bring you some of your highest highs and lowest lows. I love it.
MULLY
 
bluepepper said:
I actually kind of like playing 9-ball as a short break from playing too much straight, but as a viewer, I just lose interest after a little while. I tried getting into the online stream the other day, and I just couldn't stay for long. I'm amazed at how well the 9-ballers pocket tough shots though.

Straight pool I could watch for hours on end, because it's like a puzzle. I try to pick out and predict patterns while watching.


Whenever I watch nine ball on TV I feel like I am watching a rerun of a good show... It is nice to watch the first time but after a while I always feel like I have seen it before.
 
poohkiller said:
Jeff,

it was very pleasing to read your thoughts as I have started playing this game only a few weeks ago. I began practicing by just putting up all the balls on the table - well-spread them everywhere - and just began potting them. No particular order, no rules, nothing, just potting the balls. After finishing them I put them up again. In this way I had a "break" (if I can call it that way...) of 54 this way.

A local pro player told me that I should begin with this before playing straight pool.

On the other hand I could get the impression from your post that you are not in the need of these excersises as you are a better (I'd guess much better) player than I am, so what I have said so far would be for those just about to begin playing straight pool and - like me - not being "ball-proof" / effective enough.

Naturally this thread is not about me but your great experiences so I apologize for those said but I felt like they would match here.

I wish you have a great time playing straight pool - in my honest opinion it is the best and superior game that can be played on a pocket billiard table.

One last line: it would be nice to hear how you progress and advance in straight pool so if you have the chance, post how you improved even more.

Thanks for posting your thoughts....please do more, as this thread wasn't supposed to be about me but more about how newbies progess through the learning process. Plus I wanted to say "hi" to the straigt junkies. So, you post your thoughts and I'll post mine and we'll both learn something, I'm sure.

I'll give your practice routine a try...sounds like a good idea.

Jeff Livingston
 
Jallan said:
Jeff,

I'm in Ames... If you ever get up this way let me know and we can play a little. I don't play too strong; lucky to get one or two runs in the twentys on a good day. Most the time I can't do that; however, I do enjoy playing the game a lot. In fact, it is really the only game I like playing other than 1p. There are also a few other guys around that may give you a game.

The Corner Pocket is the bar. If your not familiar it has 12 Bar boxes, 3 9 foots and one 12 foot snooker. It's on the east end of main street, north side of the road. The last block before Duff.

Let me know if you are ever interested. PM's are fine or stop in the bar and ask the bar tender if I'm around. If I'm not, they can get ahold of me.

Jered

Hi Jered,

I'm glad to hear the Corner Pocket has straight pool players. I'd love to come up and play some. I've been there before a few times.

One of my favorite hustling stories happened at the CP. My friend and travelling partner, who shall remain nameless for now, were up there about 15 years ago with only 10 bucks between us. We got into some 8-ball games for beers, etc., so when the bet increased, this guy goes and gets his "custom cue" from his car. It was a shiny, black laquer-like finish, cheap-looking cue with what I thought was a leather wrap. He lost the $20 game (but he had just easily won a beer game!--ha ha:cool: ) and got mad. He looked like he was going to smash his cue on the table, but stopped just in the nick of time. Whew, I thought, that was close. But then he decided to throw his cue flat on the floor and he did. It spit the butt right through the leather somehow and a big piece, like a slice from a whitler's knife, just fell off and laid there. The look on his face was priceless. To keep him from seeing me laugh, I hid my face behind a pillar and plugged my mouth. Damn, it was funny, but it killed our action with him.

Anyway, off subject.

Thanks for the offer, Jered. I'm pretty sure you'll kill me at straights, but that's what I want so I can learn more.

Jeff Livingston
 
Jallan said:
I bet the nine ball gods have been getting worried for a while now. That part of history is coming to an end slowly...

I'm playing straights for the fun of it but also to improve my 8-ball game. I've seen changes already...not sure if improved, but defininitely looking at runnouts a little differently.

I was at Big Dogs practicing on one of the IPT tables. I couldn't run more than 8 or 9 on those tight pockets and was getting a little frustrated. A guy comes over and ask if I want to play 9-ball. Sure, I said. Well, I tell you what....I was so relieved from not having to think so hard anymore, but just hit balls, that I killed him! I was like a pool god there for an hour or so.

So, from that experience, I know that 14.1 will give me new confidence and new thoughts to push my other games to a higher level, to use a worn-out saying.

Jeff Livingston
 
Kevin Lindstrom said:
Hey Jeff

Next year when I come back to Iowa we will play some 14.1. I have become very addicted to the game during pool season.

Kevin

Hi Kevin...how ya been?

You let me know when you're coming....I'll be ready!:smile:

Jeff Livingston
 
Thanks to everyone else for the nice reception here. Please give feedback and suggestions for improvement, if you think it can help. Anything that can save time and trouble is good, so if you see anything you think I'm doing (or not ddoing) that is self-defeating, please let me know...quickly! :)

Jeff Livingston
 
bluepepper said:
I I'm amazed at how well the 9-ballers pocket tough shots though.


It's not all that amazing when you think about the penalties for missing those shots in both games. :)

I know when I play one pocket I'm rolling in full length table banks, crossing banks, two cushion banks like they were dead .... LOL ... It's only because there's no penalty to pay for missing when compared to selling the farm in 14.1 with some kind of flier. :)
 
chefjeff said:
Hi Jered,

I'm glad to hear the Corner Pocket has straight pool players. I'd love to come up and play some. I've been there before a few times.

Thanks for the offer, Jered. I'm pretty sure you'll kill me at straights, but that's what I want so I can learn more.

Jeff Livingston

I wouldn't worry too much about me getting you.... I miss a lot of balls I shouldn't. Look forward to it some night.
 
chefjeff said:
Hi,

I'm just learning this game....it was actually the first game I ever played back in the 60s, but didn't stick to it. Whoops! Went to bar table 8-ball, etc. until this May when I was invited by Williebetmore to his house to take lessons from Danny Diliberto. I had a couple of 20 something runs there and that surprised me, based on my previous feeble attempts. I came home determined to learn this game once and for all. I know this will help me in 8-ball league this winter.

I've been practicing by myself for a few hours a day on a small 8 footer (crowded and slow). I'm mostly trying to get a feel for potting balls and not too much on the safety/strategy part....yet. I've bought Capelle's book and that helps, but not through it yet.

I've had about three competitive games so far (not many straight players around here). One with the 8-ball state champ...I beat him. Another with my first "teacher" a guy that played Mosconi at a college exhibition and was beating him until Willie pulled his "This is my show, dude" routine. He beat me 50 to 40 something. I felt pretty good about that...until....

Yesterday, I had the distinct pleasure to go against Don McCoy at his bar and grill on a 9 foot GC. Now Don showed me how to really play this game. Don beat me 100 to 44 or something like that....we weren't competing so much as just playing. Don hadn't played straights for decades and he never did do tournaments, but just used it for practice. But he showed me many things, especially that I was choosing the wrong break ball often. His cueball control is just outstanding.

Don has been kinda burnt out re pool lately, but he said he really enjoyed the play and was going to start practicing 14.1 again. I wish it was me that inspired him to play agains, but....oh well, back to the practice table. I've made the commitment to play him once per week for this summer, and he agreed to it, which surprised me, as I'm an amateur and he gets much less from the experience that I do.

I'll stop....there's more to tell, but I just thought I'd give my thoughts as they might be useful for the experienced players here for understanding how we newbies think about this wonderful game.

Jeff Livingston


Welcome to the wacky world of 14.1. Having a couple of 20 something runs with Danny is not a bad place to start. He came up to Chicago and gave a bunch of us lessons right after he saw you guys in Indy. In fact he's coming up here again July 25-28 or so if you want to see him again.

The Phil Capelle book you are reading is very good reference material in my opinion. Has anyone mentioned to you the instructional dvds of Sigel and Rempe on How to run a Rack and How to run 100 or the more recent dvds by John Schmidt? They are also good teaching tools.

Jim Parker at the Illinois Billiard Club tells us stories of a fellow from Iowa who used to come by the club and take off tournaments. He has nothing but good things to say about Don McCoy. There are some pictures of him on the wall and I think I posted one in AZB about a year ago that included Dallas West and many others. Tell Don that Jim Parker says hello.

If you are ever in the Chicago area, you'll hve to come by the IBC to play a little 14.1.

Dennis
 
dmgwalsh said:
Welcome to the wacky world of 14.1. Having a couple of 20 something runs with Danny is not a bad place to start. He came up to Chicago and gave a bunch of us lessons right after he saw you guys in Indy. In fact he's coming up here again July 25-28 or so if you want to see him again.

The Phil Capelle book you are reading is very good reference material in my opinion. Has anyone mentioned to you the instructional dvds of Sigel and Rempe on How to run a Rack and How to run 100 or the more recent dvds by John Schmidt? They are also good teaching tools.

Jim Parker at the Illinois Billiard Club tells us stories of a fellow from Iowa who used to come by the club and take off tournaments. He has nothing but good things to say about Don McCoy. There are some pictures of him on the wall and I think I posted one in AZB about a year ago that included Dallas West and many others. Tell Don that Jim Parker says hello.

If you are ever in the Chicago area, you'll hve to come by the IBC to play a little 14.1.

Dennis

Thanks, Dennis.

I printed off that photo back then and gave it to Don. He loved it and started in on stories about IBC and how he seemed to always play well there and stories about those players, too.

I'd just love to come to Chi town next week but that is my wife's birthday and that means that I'm staying here, if I know what's good for me. :wink: Can I come some other time, even though I'm not a member of the club? I heard nothing but good about that place.

I'll tell Don hi from Jim Parker and you tell Danny hi from me.

Jeff Livingston

PS Are those videos available from Muellers, by chance?
 
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