New twist on crap Predator ferrule

Well, a buddy installed a Juma ferrule on mine and so far I like it. Played well with it.
It's only been one day so who knows how crack-resistant it is. He thinks it will hold up better than the original.
But in terms of not affecting the hit or making funny noises it's fine. Didn't miss any balls I though I'd normally make.
If this one holds up for a few months without cracking I'd recommend it as a cheap alternative material.
 
Lol. Predator ferrules are NOTORIOUS for failing.

Yet, with that info, you keep buying the product ??? wtf? Try an OB shaft and your worries will soon go away. I've never seen a thread that has anything negative about OB shafts, cues, customer service, etc. And I have three OB shafts, and never a hint of a problem.

And you know your my mortal enemy in NPR, but even I have to point you in the right direction, yet again !!!
 
So, if you have a shaft that's been hollowed out, topped by a ferrule that's lighter, shorter and thinner all for the sake of lower deflection, would you want to, say, break with it?

For the amount of Predator shafts out there and the use or abuse they receive I think it's a pretty good product.
 
Predator ferrules are rubbish, no doubt, but I've got a new one on their complete and utter rubbishness. I bought a new cue about 2 years ago, but only used the butt and not the shaft. I've just looked at the shaft for the first time since I banked it and have noticed the ferrule has a crack in it.

Yup, it's never hit a ball and has cracked - how is this possible?

I don't like using terms like "rubbish," but I have to agree that Predator ferrules are weak. The wood they use in their shafts is suspect, too. I've never owned one (and don't want to), but I have repaired quite a few of them for customers who didn't want to go through the hassle of sending them back to Predator for warranty repairs.

Years ago, a Craftsman tool rep told me that they charged a lot of money for their tools because they offered a lifetime warranty, and the high initial price on the tools was what covered the cost of the returns. I believe Predator may work under this same philosophy.

Roger
 
Well, a buddy installed a Juma ferrule on mine and so far I like it. Played well with it.
It's only been one day so who knows how crack-resistant it is. He thinks it will hold up better than the original.
But in terms of not affecting the hit or making funny noises it's fine. Didn't miss any balls I though I'd normally make.
If this one holds up for a few months without cracking I'd recommend it as a cheap alternative material.

And how does it differ in terms of deflection?
 
I don't like using terms like "rubbish," but I have to agree that Predator ferrules are weak. The wood they use in their shafts is suspect, too. I've never owned one (and don't want to), but I have repaired quite a few of them for customers who didn't want to go through the hassle of sending them back to Predator for warranty repairs.

Years ago, a Craftsman tool rep told me that they charged a lot of money for their tools because they offered a lifetime warranty, and the high initial price on the tools was what covered the cost of the returns. I believe Predator may work under this same philosophy.

Roger

Ok, but when you pay $250 for a shaft that has failed before it has even hit a ball, tolerance for niceties is low.
 
I have to smile when someone brags about great warranties.....

I would prefer a great product that doesn’t require a warranty because it is a great product...

Predator shafts and other LD shafts are successful because of great marketing, (and great warranties I guess)

If I was going to spend 2-300 on a shaft it sure as hell wouldn’t be a LD shaft.

Ken
 
I have to smile when someone brags about great warranties.....

I would prefer a great product that doesn’t require a warranty because it is a great product...

Predator shafts and other LD shafts are successful because of great marketing, (and great warranties I guess)

If I was going to spend 2-300 on a shaft it sure as hell wouldn’t be a LD shaft.

Ken

I fully agree. Marketing is what makes or breaks any product.

For me, it's all about dependability, not bragability. In the case of cue shafts, I want a good-quality standard shaft at a fair price. Then, if I should happen to have to make a little more of an adjustment for squirt on some rare shots, so what? I'll make the adjustment.

Roger
 
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Yet, with that info, you keep buying the product ??? wtf? Try an OB shaft and your worries will soon go away. I've never seen a thread that has anything negative about OB shafts, cues, customer service, etc. And I have three OB shafts, and never a hint of a problem.

And you know your my mortal enemy in NPR, but even I have to point you in the right direction, yet again !!!
OB is the way to go.
 
B.S Alert

No point. Very thin crack about a third of the way up from the end of the shaft. Really difficult to spot without a magnifier. Cracks in ferrules are much easier to see when chalk gets in them.
I didn't think you world put up, so now its time to.......
 
Yet, with that info, you keep buying the product ??? wtf? Try an OB shaft and your worries will soon go away. I've never seen a thread that has anything negative about OB shafts, cues, customer service, etc. And I have three OB shafts, and never a hint of a problem.

OB makes a good product but my OB Classic Pro ferrule developed small cracks too.
I just had it replaced last week. The issue isn't only with predators.

It's actually the second ferrule I had an issue with. I stick with OB though because I know
predator can get these cracks too so I might as well just stick with the brand I like and I'm used to.

And how does it differ in terms of deflection?

So far no difference... just playing with it for several hours, not doing extensive tests.
But I'm aiming my spin shots the usual way and getting the usual results.

I have to smile when someone brags about great warranties.....
I would prefer a great product that doesn’t require a warranty because it is a great product...
Predator shafts and other LD shafts are successful because of great marketing, (and great warranties I guess)
If I was going to spend 2-300 on a shaft it sure as hell wouldn’t be a LD shaft.

Well if you're one of those that doesn't believe LD does what it claims to do, and it's all marketing lies,
then I can see why you'd avoid spending that money.
Personally I think that attitude's baffling as it only takes 5 minutes to do a test like this
to confirm that yes, they deflect less. If that's something you want then you put up with the cost
and the occasional ferrule problem.

If you don't care much about it then there are certainly sturdier shafts out there.
For me, "sturdy" takes a back seat to other priorities when I shop for a shaft.
 
Well if you're one of those that doesn't believe LD does what it claims to do, and it's all marketing lies,
then I can see why you'd avoid spending that money.
Personally I think that attitude's baffling as it only takes 5 minutes to do a test like this
to confirm that yes, they deflect less. If that's something you want then you put up with the cost
and the occasional ferrule problem.

If you don't care much about it then there are certainly sturdier shafts out there.
For me, "sturdy" takes a back seat to other priorities when I shop for a shaft.

Agreed. It's a price worth paying IMO. Missing balls because the CB squirts off on some random path away from where you're aiming becomes very tiresome very quickly.
 
Predator ferrules are rubbish, no doubt, but I've got a new one on their complete and utter rubbishness. I bought a new cue about 2 years ago, but only used the butt and not the shaft. I've just looked at the shaft for the first time since I banked it and have noticed the ferrule has a crack in it.

Yup, it's never hit a ball and has cracked - how is this possible?

Send just the shaft to---------->

Predator Products Warranty/Repair
11764 Marco Beach Drive
Jacksonville, Florida 32224-7684 USA

Write a little note asking to fix the cracked ferrule. Be nice and let them know you love Predator Cues. They will replace the shaft with a new one.

Since you are out of the country, they might not want to pay to ship it back to you.
If you lived in the USA, there would be no problem at all. Or, if there is a Predator Dealer close to where you live, they might take care of it. Let them know your cue came from J&J America.

I always use Priority International with no problems.


I don't know how hot or cold it got in your house, but that might of caused the problem. Contracting and expanding of the ferrule.


With all the warranties from pool cues, I always had to pay for shipping to and sometimes from. Tiger Products charged me to and from. McDermott also charged me to and from. Meucci I only paid to and not from. I don't remember what happened with Viking...but will never buy another Viking or recommend one because of the warranty...no 'cause of the staff at Viking. They wanted to avoid their own warranty and charge for repairs.

And a Joss warranty...forget it. Once you chalk your shaft there is no warranty...LOL.

I always paid for shipping to Predator Products for replacement or repairs. But since I'm in the states, they paid to ship back to me.
 
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Hmm...Different materials contract and expand at different rates so it is possible that this could happen, still weird though. Maybe a bad batch of plastic? About predator ferrules: I have only personally seen a couple fail yet and I'd venture to say that with the amount of Predators in circulation around here that is about average for any brand of cues. Actually from an engineering standpoint, maybe it would be smart to make the ferrule weaker than the shaft (if the shaft itself is not very robust). That way, if the shaft is abused the ferrule, which can be replaced breaks instead of the shaft (just thinking out loud here). I did once play with a 314 shaft where someone had replaced the original lightweight ferrule with a more solid one. The shaft lost some of its low deflection properties and played close to a regular shaft, so clearly it does impact the deflection if the ferrule material is changed.

I have seen a 314 shaft itself actually explode into tiny pieces. The way most people treat their cues I'm suprised this sort of thing does not happen more often (you know, leaning their cue against the wall, slamming it down on the table, tapping it hard on the floor without a rubber bumber, leaving it in the car in the winter or summer etc.

When the shaft it self is hollow and laminated it is only natural that it comes apart after while of this kind of abuse, but the original Z was particularly prone to breaking, being hollow and thin. I have personally owned 5 predator cues, with Z shafts and never had a shaft or ferrule break. In the mean while I watched about 10 people with Predator cues breaking their shafts, all because of abuse. Then they complain about the predator shaft being shit.:rolleyes:

I sure am glad I'm not a cuemaker when I listen to how those people whine about their cues, and when reminded that they slam their cue into the table almost every other rack, look at you with that suprised, innocent look. There is a prize to pay for the hollow construction and lamination of these shafts, and that is that one cannot treat it as a bar cue. Also if you have a sledgehammer break you probably shouldn't use a Z shaft for breaking. That is common sense, but people ignore it all the time. I realize this is somewhat tangential to the topic,but I'm so sick of people slamming products that they have obviously mistreated. That in no way applies to the op btw.

Only weighing in on your comment. I watched a fellow break with a brand new P shaft and the ferrule broke off... on the first break. There was no abuse involved. As noted, P is very good at warranties.
 
Send just the shaft to---------->

Predator Products Warranty/Repair
11764 Marco Beach Drive
Jacksonville, Florida 32224-7684 USA

Write a little note asking to fix the cracked ferrule. Be nice and let them know you love Predator Cues. They will replace the shaft with a new one.

Since you are out of the country, they might not want to pay to ship it back to you.
If you lived in the USA, there would be no problem at all. Or, if there is a Predator Dealer close to where you live, they might take care of it. Let them know your cue came from J&J America.

I always use Priority International with no problems.


I don't know how hot or cold it got in your house, but that might of caused the problem. Contracting and expanding of the ferrule.


With all the warranties from pool cues, I always had to pay for shipping to and sometimes from. Tiger Products charged me to and from. McDermott also charged me to and from. Meucci I only paid to and not from. I don't remember what happened with Viking...but will never buy another Viking or recommend one because of the warranty...no 'cause of the staff at Viking. They wanted to avoid their own warranty and charge for repairs.

I always paid for shipping to Predator Products for replacement or repairs. But since I'm in the states, they paid to ship back to me.

Thanks. I'm going to try and get them to pay for return shipping costs as a gesture of goodwill. A shaft that's never hit a ball should not have a problem and the UK is hardly the antarctic or the sahara!

As you mention McDermott, I had an i shaft that had a cracked ferrule, so I contacted them about a repair and they agreed to do it for free and pay for return shipping. They did a fantastic job as well, with it coming back as new.
 
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