Nick Varner is a Fargorate 777

[easy-e]

Like Fargo, as I explained, it was not perfect. Also most of the People on the AZ Committee, it was called Rating Committee, NOT BOARD were Bar Room Owners, who had an interesting in penalizing better players. If you got past a Seven or Eight there were not many tournament for 9's, 10's, 10-1's, or 10-2. Becoming an 8, or 9 was like being on DEATH ROW........Few opportunities to compete.

Bar & Room Owners knew 7's and below were the people they want in their businesses, as these were most the recreation player, who had Jobs, spent money, and last also were attracted to LEAGUE with Pin & Trophies. For being Top Players. Or the Big Trip to LAS VEGAS BCA, where is you won, you lost really. Because of the expense to get to Vegas, and cost of Hotel etc.

Bar & Room Owners wanted to keep better players, 8's and higher out of their Tournaments by moving consistent winner up, and out of opportunity..........Fargo does the same thing. As your Fargo goes up, opportunities to compete go down.

But it's NOT like Fargo... The AZ ratings were subjective! It's completely different. And stupid.

 

[Rocket354]

Here we go again with the 7 and 9 foot table ratings just cant be the same. How many times does it have to be proven that an 800FR on a big table will be an 800FR on a little table and vice versa?? Maybe its time to leave the G.O.D. in the rearview mirror, its not coming back.

While I'm sure skill on a 7' is highly correlated with skill on a 9', I don't think they're one and the same, especially as one moves down the FR list. I know many bar box heroes who almost never play 9'. When they do, they struggle more than you might expect.

It's much more common in the 550-650 range, but one guy is a 720, all on barbox 8b, with literally not a single game of 9b, 10b, 1p, or anything on a 9'. I'd take many 650s in 9' 9b over him. At least for the first few matches.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

But it's NOT like Fargo... The AZ ratings were subjective! It's completely different. And stupid.

But it worked fine for Arizona Bar & Room Owners, it was good for their bottom line...................Catering to the Recreational Player.

Like I said being an 8, was not bad, but when you hit NINE...............Most Tournament were closed to you.

Few 9 and Under. So the only thing was OPEN Tournament's........Very Few.

 

[fastone371]

While I'm sure skill on a 7' is highly correlated with skill on a 9', I don't think they're one and the same, especially as one moves down the FR list. I know many bar box heroes who almost never play 9'. When they do, they struggle more than you might expect.

It's much more common in the 550-650 range, but one guy is a 720, all on barbox 8b, with literally not a single game of 9b, 10b, 1p, or anything on a 9'. I'd take many 650s in 9' 9b over him. At least for the first few matches.

All leagues and tournaments are on bar boxes up here and I have a 9' Gold Crown in my basement. From my experience if a guy has never seen a 9' table he will struggle, the guys who play occasionally seem to do just fine. I think if you have someone that cant play up to their FR on a big table its probably more metal than anything, the difference between the longest possible shot on each table is less than 24", its really not a big deal when you think about it.

 

[Rocket354]

All leagues and tournaments are on bar boxes up here and I have a 9' Gold Crown in my basement. From my experience if a guy has never seen a 9' table he will struggle, the guys who play occasionally seem to do just fine. I think if you have someone that cant play up to their FR on a big table its probably more metal than anything, the difference between the longest possible shot on each table is less than 24", its really not a big deal when you think about it.

I certainly agree there is a mental aspect to it. There are other elements, too.

The difference in the longest shots on each table is actually around 33", along the diagonal. That's almost half the length of a barbox (80/2 = 40). The length of the average shot on each table is different. People who are accustomed to a certain amount of accuracy on a 7'--balls go in even if they are left or right of center pocket--will find those same shots now rattle with an extra 6"-12" of shot length.

Additionally, folks who learn only on a barbox will not necessarily develop accuracy and consistency with a strong stroke. 7' tables allow for a lot of plink shots. Forced to really stroke it on a 9' like they've rarely had to will cost accuracy and/or cue ball control.

These are all skills players can develop, but they will have to actually develop them.

I had the opposite problem. I own and for a long time played exclusively on 9' tables. When I joined a league that played on 7' I had to learn a lot of under-developed skills: working through congestion, breaking open clusters, shooting very softly--I was over-running everything.

I'm progressing and have gotten better, but I learned to respect what I previously referred to as the "toy tables" more.