Nick Varner vs Grady Mathews Video!

[av84fun]

Ironically in pointing out to me that im wrong, you came up with the perfect example. The NFL is exactly what im talking about. I can't think of any other sport that is more US centric than football, and yet we call it a world championship.

And I see your point, that there is no exact criteria for how many countries need be present to have a "true" world championship. Its not like there is a standard criteria that says,"ok well you only have 45 countries and you need 46 so sorry, its not a real world championship."

However, that isn't what I said. You don't need every country in the world to be there. Thats just stupid, one for bringing up that ridiculous idea, and two for acting like I was making that my point. Now, you have a point, what is my criteria for having a true world championship? I don't know. But what we have today, is sure a lot closer to one than in the 80s or 90s. 45 to 4 OR 5. I think ill take the former.

I have to disagree with both of you on this. For 40 years, it has been called the Superbowl and not a "world championship."

However, if any football team from anywhere in the world might wish to put up $20 million or so for a challenge match with the current Superbowl champion team, I think they would get 10 points on the wire without too much debate.

So, even though it isn't CALLED a World Championship...it IS a World Championship.

Regards,
Jim

 

[Roadkill]

Glad to see you posting Grady...you've forgotten more about pool than many of us will ever know.

 

[av84fun]

We're on the same page here Jim.

I happen to have in my archives both the Grady vs. Kim Davenport match as well as the Grady domination over Jim Mataya. If someone else hasn't put them on Youtube my now, I'll try to get to it, though I can't promise a thing.

Fred

Were they taped off TV or did you buy them commercially? I would LOVE to have those matches and would pay $30 each plus shipping for good quality video!

Anyone??

Regards,
Jim

PS: And Grady...just to TOTALLY avoid any doubt...I in NO WAY intended any disrespect to you. I have followed your career since I was a kid and have nothing but great respect for your place in pool history.

I was only commenting about a SINGLE rack and tried to avoid any suggestion if disrespect.

If I failed to do so, I sincerely apologize.

Jim

 

[RunoutalloverU]

Okay I changed my mind about grady, I think he could make it atleast into the final 32 or 16 with regularity in todays WPC. And I get the point of saying if they were the best in the world then, and they play (accu-stat wise) just as good back then, than why wouldn't it be a true world championship. I guess it would be, sorry Grady.

 

[Cornerman]

Were they taped off TV or did you buy them commercially? I would LOVE to have those matches and would pay $30 each plus shipping for good quality video!

They were videotaped on VHS. So, I have no idea how the quality is. I couldn't sell them and really, I'm not even sure the legalities of copying them on Youtube.

Anyone?

Fred <~~~ and of course I forgot to check last night

 

[Terry Ardeno]

Okay I changed my mind about grady, I think he could make it atleast into the final 32 or 16 with regularity in todays WPC. And I get the point of saying if they were the best in the world then, and they play (accu-stat wise) just as good back then, than why wouldn't it be a true world championship. I guess it would be, sorry Grady.

In my opinion, it takes a real man to be able to come on hear & admit that they may have been wrong. Not in a life or death matter, but even something small, many would just keep fanning the flames. RunoutalloverU, you've impressed me!
And believe me, if you could have ever seen any of those guys from the earlier days in their prime, you would be very, very impressed. The greats of today are careful to admit that the Buddy Hall, Louie Roberts, Grady Mathews, Nick Varner, etc of yesteryear would be every bit the handful tody.

 

[av84fun]

They were videotaped on VHS. So, I have no idea how the quality is. I couldn't sell them and really, I'm not even sure the legalities of copying them on Youtube.

Anyone?

Fred <~~~ and of course I forgot to check last night

I am in the publishing business and can tell you for a fact that it is illegal as hell.

There are certain educational exemptions under Title 17 of the U.S. Code but they are difficult to comply with and generally don't apply to publications such as you are asking about.

Having said that, the internet has become a cesspool of copyright infringement and the most that the owner is LIKELY to do is demand that youtube delete the post.

Most copyright owners overlook such posts because it just isn't worth their time and effort to try to contain what is truly a wildfire and such posts will end up on sites in Russia or China anyway which have an utter disregard for American intellectual property.

So, really, it's sort of an honor system but the TRUTH is that most people don't mind receiving what is in fact, "stolen property" so long as there is no risk TO THEM.

I am not moralizing one way or the other...just stating the facts for what they are.

Regards,
Jim

 

[PoolBum]

And, Nick Varner won that tournament. Nobody with any sense of pool history would dare say that Nick Varner wasn't the best 9-ball player on the planet in 1989.

Fred

Indeed, the Nick Varner of 1989 was arguably the best one-year tournament 9-ball player ever.

 

[PoolBum]

I am in the publishing business and can tell you for a fact that it is illegal as hell.

Regards,
Jim

Is that worse than just being illegal?

 

[av84fun]

Is that worse than just being illegal?

No...just a common simile.

But if I said it was illegal as a "sonofa*****" that would mean that the infringement was accompanied by a profit motive which can elevate the case to criminal sanctions.

(-:

 

[RichZuHaus]

Rhetoric of Style

No...just a common simile.

But if I said it was illegal as a "sonofa*****" that would mean that the infringement was accompanied by a profit motive which can elevate the case to criminal sanctions.

(-:

Very witty sir.

R.S.

 

[elvicash]

Im not sure when billiard world championships started, but it wasn't in 1988
grady would be annilihated by today's stars even in his prime.

But thanks for the post, its interesting to go back in time, and see what they considered world class pool.

Why would you say things like this?

Maybe you should think before you post?

All you are doing is running off a real player.

What can you do now or at any time in the past in comparison to Grady?

I wish AZ nits would quit banging out foolish posts which alienate top tier players.