nine ball ruling please

[pab]

Extening that thought, if one notices his opponent is shhoting a ball out of sequece, does the window to call foul close once the incorrect ball is struck?

I think nor.

No, the window to call foul closes when the shooter takes his next shot and hits the correct ball first.

 

[hang-the-9]

Extening that thought, if one notices his opponent is shhoting a ball out of sequece, does the window to call foul close once the incorrect ball is struck?

I think nor.

One difference is that in the case of hitting the wrong ball, the error does not happen till he hits the ball, he may be aiming at it, but there is no foul yet. In the case of a incorrect rack, that is already incorrect before the shooter shoots.

 

[bmoretallpaul]

Definitely a lack of sportsmanship. If its about the money, then Player B would have been better to mug him out in the parking lot. If its about winning and bragging, then he should have corrected it before the break and beat him fair and square. How can you brag about cheating? Or in this case, borderline cheating. I mean, come on, what did he expect would happen? Player A would just let that go on a money match?!

What decision did they finally reach?

Nine was spotted, ball in hand to player b.

 

[Poolplaya9]

Nine was spotted, ball in hand to player b.

Now you can relay what the rules actually say. I bet player A is going to be pissed.

The BCAPL rules specifically address this issue.

BCAPL Rule 1-14.5

If the arrangement of the rack does not meet the requirements of the specific game, it
will be corrected without penalty. If your opponent's rack does not meet the requirements
and you do not notify them before they break, the game will continue with no penalty.

My ruling is that player B intentionally allowed a violation of the rules of the game to occur. Both players are responsible for seeing that all the rules are followed. Player B loses the game.

 

[fastone371]

If I was player A, and I believed the spectators, the only option I would give player B is
re-rack.
I would also tell him that if he thinks this is an indication of how he's going to compete
with me, we're going to have to play for a lot more money...and hire a referee.

I'm also going to inform those two spectators that from now on their opinions should not
be heard unless BOTH players agree that they should be heard.

Its a win for player A because the mistake needs to be pointed out before the break shot. B is a dick of epic porportions. Plus the quoted stuff above in red.

 

[Danimal]

I call Heads

They're playing rack you own and the 9 counts on the break?!?

I call next with whoever wins :grin:

 

[marek]

One difference is that in the case of hitting the wrong ball, the error does not happen till he hits the ball, he may be aiming at it, but there is no foul yet. In the case of a incorrect rack, that is already incorrect before the shooter shoots.

Yes, that is perfect explanation :thumbup2:

 

[maha]

the real reason the hit must count is that if it didnt go in and the nine hung for the other player, do you think he would be complaining then. so its a complete free role for him to rack it wrong if he gets any say after the fact.

the player that broke should have said something but if playing for peanuts why not break as something like that only gets to happen once in a lifetime.

overall it was bad form to break after the mistake. but traditionally you racked your own and had to put the nine in the middle as it was the toughest spot to make it from.. but it wasnt a rule at least in cash games. so if it is opponent racks, and he wants to rack it in the corner why cant i let him if i prefer.

 

[garczar]

They're both nits.