No chance for Frost. Harsh reality

jojopiff

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It was 6-5 went I checked out but to say that Alex was outplaying him at that point would be incorrect, IMO. Seemed like Scott "could have" been up a couple games if not for some unforced mistakes.
 

phil dade

AzB Silver Member
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First, Alex is the most dangerous shooter in the world IMO in this game, more so than Shane. Scott is a one pocket lethal weapon, especially running balls. I believe Alex is a better shot, Scott should move better. I was surprised at Scotts play and the initial outcome of last night, 11-7 Alex. Here is why.

The first defeat at Buffalo was close. Then Scott played a 7 hour hill hill draining match with JJ before the finals and Alex wiped him out. This had to be a bitter loss for a champion competitor. I expected Scott to adjust. Alex is so dangerous from anywhere, I did not expect Scott to go toe to toe trying to out run him. This is Scotts strength, but Alex is simply unreal now when it comes to nailing shots. He put them in from everywhere, wide angle two railers, thin cuts, hidden combos...If you are in a fight with the top puncher, do not go toe to toe to his strength. Move, jab, mix around, wear him down both mental and physical before you shift into your gear. In poker, you change gears several times.

I expected Scott to change up his typical game, slow it down and strangle Alex awhile with his expert moves before he opened up. He did not.

It appeared to me he did his typical power 1P play and slight errors gave Alex comanding positions of 4,5 balls or even out.

Scott needs to realize this guy is like handling the most dangerous animal and mix his game up. Play an Artie to frustrate him, if possible and wait for the errors.
 
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deanoc

AzB Silver Member
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I thought the game was slowed
both players took a long time shooting and then went back to their original thought frequently

Both tried to make too much out of nothing and lost for no good reason

It amazes me that with the score even or close to even(6 to 5) early,that Az people knew it was over

Apparently I went to bed before the last few games,it appeared even when I
was told it was time to shut the stupid computer off,put the collie in his sleeping place and go to bed
 

poolhustler

AzB Silver Member
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Scott mentioned on FB that he was ragged out from the night before. He said he is not making excuses for his play of the day, but that he was up late the night before, giving a ride home to his other half after work.

He has a huge money match and he stays up late and is ragged the next day??

Really??

Really??

Did I say ..."REALLY"????

:boring::boring::boring:
 

j_zippel

Big Tuna
Silver Member
It was 6-5 went I checked out but to say that Alex was outplaying him at that point would be incorrect, IMO. Seemed like Scott "could have" been up a couple games if not for some unforced mistakes.


Scott had a chance to tie the match I believe it was 4-3 or maybe 3-2. He missed a pretty easy shot with the cueball on the rail. He makes that and he's out and tied. I think from that point he was a bit rattled and now with Alex having a 4 game lead it doesn't look too promising for Scott to get those 4 games back.

I really enjoy one pocket with guys of this calibre playing, for Anyone with money on Scott I hope he can regroup and grind back a few games early on today's set or it might over tonight
 

overlord

AzB Silver Member
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I'm not watching because I have no time.

How's the commentary? I tried to get 'BoX' a slot but Truck acted like he didn't even know who I was talking about.

Chris Gentile you could barely hear. The stream froze a lot.
 

overlord

AzB Silver Member
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He has a huge money match and he stays up late and is ragged the next day??

Really??

Really??

Did I say ..."REALLY"????

:boring::boring::boring:

Scott kept missing critical long shots and against a guy like Alex you just can't do that. Both of them were a little snake bit.

Alex seems to pick simpler solutions in moving. Scott is too aggressive when he should squeeze IMHO.
 

actionplayer

AzB Silver Member
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I would venture to guess you don't know Scott's overall record vs Alex (or even Efren as another example) or else you wouldn't have posted this comment. They have both had their share of wins vs the other guy. Alex is elite no doubt, but Scott also has an elite gear when he is on.

I know what Scott self proclaims about his gambling record against them
He beat efren after efren win that big one pocket tournament
But again he saying he tired ? Efren played him straight after winning the tournament
Efren in his sixties maybe efren was tired

Perhaps you don't know Scott's us open one pocket or dcc history?

Was he tired then too or was it because it was on a gold crown ?

All I hear is excuses

I play A level but watch an gamble a lot
I had watched Oscar play some of the best pool of its life on the mezz tour and his 10 bsll break improved dramatically therefore I bet on him against Bartram without any thought

This match the same
Scott can definitely catch a gear but I don't know how he wins this
I watched the whole night and think that's the worst I've seen Alex play
 

overlord

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
First, Alex is the most dangerous shooter in the world IMO in this game, more so than Shane. Scott is a one pocket lethal weapon, especially running balls. I believe Alex is a better shot, Scott should move better. I was surprised at Scotts play and the initial outcome of last night, 11-7 Alex. Here is why.

The first defeat at Buffalo was close. Then Scott played a 7 hour hill hill draining match with JJ before the finals and Alex wiped him out. This had to be a bitter loss for a champion competitor. I expected Scott to adjust. Alex is so dangerous from anywhere, I did not expect Scott to go toe to toe trying to out run him. This is Scotts strength, but Alex is simply unreal now when it comes to nailing shots. He put them in from everywhere, wide angle two railers, thin cuts, hidden combos...If you are in a fight with the top puncher, do not go toe to toe to his strength. Move, jab, mix around, wear him down both mental and physical before you shift into your gear. In poker, you change gears several times.

I expected Scott to change up his typical game, slow it down and strangle Alex awhile with his expert moves before he opened up. He did not.

It appeared to me he did his typical power 1P play and slight errors gave Alex comanding positions of 4,5 balls or even out.

Scott needs to realize this guy is like handling the most dangerous animal and mix his game up. Play an Artie to frustrate him, if possible and wait for the errors.

Exactly: Scott was way too aggressive and did not squeeze and was missing critical long shots. Alex even missed his hole with ball in hand straight in.

The way Alex just back cuts balls into his pocket from all the way across the table is a formidable weapon.
 

overlord

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I thought the game was slowed
both players took a long time shooting and then went back to their original thought frequently

Both tried to make too much out of nothing and lost for no good reason

It amazes me that with the score even or close to even(6 to 5) early,that Az people knew it was over

Apparently I went to bed before the last few games,it appeared even when I
was told it was time to shut the stupid computer off,put the collie in his sleeping place and go to bed

Alex looks at a lot of shots that he has no intention of ever executing. That being said it pay dividends to slow down and look at all the options.
 

Spimp13

O8 Specialist
Silver Member
I know what Scott self proclaims about his gambling record against them
He beat efren after efren win that big one pocket tournament
But again he saying he tired ? Efren played him straight after winning the tournament
Efren in his sixties maybe efren was tired

Perhaps you don't know Scott's us open one pocket or dcc history?

Was he tired then too or was it because it was on a gold crown ?

All I hear is excuses

I play A level but watch an gamble a lot
I had watched Oscar play some of the best pool of its life on the mezz tour and his 10 bsll break improved dramatically therefore I bet on him against Bartram without any thought

This match the same
Scott can definitely catch a gear but I don't know how he wins this
I watched the whole night and think that's the worst I've seen Alex play

I do agree that the tired part is sort of meh if he was out traveling/doing stuff vs actually sleeping. As big of an event that this is I would try to be maximizing sleep. I may sleep like sht but at least I would be trying to sleep vs being out and about. It's not over yet but I'm thinking Scott might have had a better chance at a race vs an ahead set. We will see what happens today.
 

Bbutler

topshots.ca
Silver Member
First, Alex is the most dangerous shooter in the world IMO in this game, more so than Shane. Scott is a one pocket lethal weapon, especially running balls. I believe Alex is a better shot, Scott should move better. I was surprised at Scotts play and the initial outcome of last night, 11-7 Alex. Here is why.

The first defeat at Buffalo was close. Then Scott played a 7 hour hill hill draining match with JJ before the finals and Alex wiped him out. This had to be a bitter loss for a champion competitor. I expected Scott to adjust. Alex is so dangerous from anywhere, I did not expect Scott to go toe to toe trying to out run him. This is Scotts strength, but Alex is simply unreal now when it comes to nailing shots. He put them in from everywhere, wide angle two railers, thin cuts, hidden combos...If you are in a fight with the top puncher, do not go toe to toe to his strength. Move, jab, mix around, wear him down both mental and physical before you shift into your gear. In poker, you change gears several times.

I expected Scott to change up his typical game, slow it down and strangle Alex awhile with his expert moves before he opened up. He did not.

It appeared to me he did his typical power 1P play and slight errors gave Alex comanding positions of 4,5 balls or even out.

Scott needs to realize this guy is like handling the most dangerous animal and mix his game up. Play an Artie to frustrate him, if possible and wait for the errors.

Outmoving Alex is something that's not going to happen. He's got every bit of knowledge and touch that Scott does. The only way to beat him is going to be with shooting and banking AND you have to run the balls afterward. The tight pockets is making this hard to do, which is why the score is where it is. Scott is capable of turning it around if he can focus, though.
 
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actionplayer

AzB Silver Member
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I do agree that the tired part is sort of meh if he was out traveling/doing stuff vs actually sleeping. As big of an event that this is I would try to be maximizing sleep. I may sleep like sht but at least I would be trying to sleep vs being out and about. It's not over yet but I'm thinking Scott might have had a better chance at a race vs an ahead set. We will see what happens today.

Can someone post the tired comment from Scott please ?

The match play isn't over Scott can hang in for another day at least

Or Alex may get his act together and steam roll on
 

Kris_b1104

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It was mentioned somewhere that Scott Frost flew to the venue a week prior to the match to get the table dialed in, does anyone know if Alex did the same or if he just fly there like the day or night before? If so, that's strong, being that Scott had the advantage of getting to know the table.
 
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Baby Huey

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This match is not over and I give Scott a lot of credit for hanging in there. Alex was going to have best game coming out of the gate and now it's Scott's turn to throw a few curve balls at Alex. Look for day two to be in Scott's favor. We'll see though.
 

actionplayer

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It was mentioned somewhere that Scott Frost fly to the venue a week prior to the match to get the table dialed in, does anyone know if Alex did the same or if he just fly there like the day or night before? If so, that's strong, being that Scott had the advantage of getting to know the table.

Yes true Scott did post that
Not sure on Alex travel arrangements
But if that's true then Alex only get better as days go on
 

miramachine

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No doubt Scott is a great player/person and can beat anyone but it just seems as though every time someone beats him or he plays bad at all that he is always making excuses or saying how the other player got all the rolls. You would never hear a player like Alex making all these excuses. I wonder how perfect everything has to go for him to not make these excuses or comments..? When was the last big one pocket tourney he won? To me he seems like a Minnesota Fats type who is a really good self promoter. Just my humble opinion.
 

poolhustler

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No doubt Scott is a great player/person and can beat anyone but it just seems as though every time someone beats him or he plays bad at all that he is always making excuses or saying how the other player got all the rolls. You would never hear a player like Alex making all these excuses. I wonder how perfect everything has to go for him to not make these excuses or comments..? When was the last big one pocket tourney he won? To me he seems like a Minnesota Fats type who is a really good self promoter. Just my humble opinion.

I love Scott's game and love to watch him play 1P, that said he does make a lot of excuses. If Efren or Alex lost, they usually just say they played terrible and they are done with it. I wish SF could/would do that too.
 
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