No 'Copouts' Brady

[Danny Harriman]

There is one more item that some how I feel I must clear up, Brady mentioned that I did not get a hold of him untill two days after the event which false and frankly what I call candycoating the situation. I finished 7th one spot above Archer and on the last day of the tournament, before the finals match between Efren and Young Wha I asked Brady in a nice manner where do I collect my prize $? He invited me to Q-Master's and said there would be a party and that I would get paid then, I found that to be strange but I tooki a cab to his establishment and there was no Brady and no party, I then proceeded to ask the gentleman at the counter how I could get in touch with Brady, I didn't mention this to anyone except my friend Max Eberly out of respect for Brady. All of this happened on the last day of the event and NOT TWO DAYS AFTER THE TOURNAMENT as he stated in his last post, when they called Brady he said he was not going to be able to make it, I told him that I was heading back to MO in the morning. He said that he would meet me for breakfast and pay me then, by this time I was a little concerned on whether I would get paid or not the next morning (one day after the tourney) I called him again and he said "I'm two hours from you so give me your address and I will mail you a check". I contacted him about one month after the tournament and he said he would get me the $ but it would take a while, a year later I realized I was not having any success so I turned the situation over to my father who knows more about this stuff than I do. My Dad is persistant and finally Brady changed his phone # so he would not have to deal with my Dad. In three and a half years there was no reply from Brady except to shake my hand and be my buddy when he saw me out on the upa tour. The weather was not an issue as to why the certain players did not get paid either, I just wish for once that when someone makes a mistake that they would not colorcoat the situation with excuses another words just apologize and pay up.
It still remains to be seen on whether I will get paid or not but even if I do I will not go back to competing untill they start playing on real pool tables, a bar table plays more difficult by far than what I saw at the World Championships. With diamond tables you have to throw the bridge on the floor as there is never a bridge holder which is a 'pet peve' of mine, But the pockets are generally good cause of how the slate goes back further as with the Olhausen table. Which makes for much cleaner shot making skills even with new cloth where the balls slide in, well enough rambling on the tour and in this forum have a good day everyone and get paid.
Sincerely, "Springfield Danny"

 

[LastTwo]

I think you should take him to court if all he will do in response is insult you.

 

[mjantti]

I hope your money issue with Brady will be settled soon. I sincerely hope that players are getting their money these days and also are willing to bring the facts up if not being paid ! Though I see Mika Immonen rarely these days here in Finland, I still know him pretty well and I've talked with him about not being paid for his runner-up position in the US Open 2001. He was later thrown out of a tournament venue when he went to ask for his money. Apparently the situation is still inflammable and it's all about players demanding their rightfully earned cash.

Tournament manager who doesn't pay up the prize money and later finds many excuses not to do so is a shame to the pool world. It's all about the principle, if one is not getting paid, what guarantee there is that the prize money winners of the following tournament will get paid either ? I think filing a lawsuit should be the right thing to do here or at least ask for lawyer help if there is a sound case on taking Brady to court.

Have courage Danny and don't give up, we don't want to have Jean Balukas -cases anymore... Looking forward seeing you in tournament action again !

 

[frankncali]

It still remains to be seen on whether I will get paid or not but even if I do I will not go back to competing untill they start playing on real pool tables, a bar table plays more difficult by far than what I saw at the World Championships. With diamond tables you have to throw the bridge on the floor as there is never a bridge holder which is a 'pet peve' of mine, But the pockets are generally good cause of how the slate goes back further as with the Olhausen table. Which makes for much cleaner shot making skills even with new cloth where the balls slide in, well enough rambling on the tour and in this forum have a good day everyone and get paid.
Sincerely, "Springfield Danny"

Interesting that you mention the tables. Recently I have been able to watch alot of pool (thanks DC++) and one of the things I started noticing was how easy most of the tables in the Pro events play.
My view is a little different in that I dont think the tables should be really tight. IMO I think most tables should be user friendly and many people use
pocket size as an excuse for bad play. If its easier for your opponnet then its easier for you. I do see that on a tight table then the better ball pocketer has an advantage.
I have known of you and have watched you play for a few years. I would like to see more players like you working in the game and moving up through the rankings. I can also see where players like yourself must be
banging your head against a wall (lol) when looking at pool as a sport.
There are virtually no sponsors outside of pool and the ones in pool already have player reps. Theres no tour. Theres the UPA which is almost trying to strong arm independent events for the Pro players. The money even in the bigger events is sparse especially for the guy that battles for a few days and
finishes just outside the top three. Promotors owe money yet still hold events.
There are many problems in pool. The biggest problem is that we (pool players) love it. We love the action, the thrill of competing, the upsets,
the stellar and almost perfect play and the simple joy of making a good shot or out. Its a shame that the pool world can not get together. IMO without a set tour with KNOWN stops and guaranteed payouts then pool will struggle to build. Even if the events were not top dollar a regular tour would give the
players like yourself a chance to play and to help try and build a future for yourself. PLans could be made knowing when and where and what the payouts will be. Players would know that there would be X number of stops.
Hopefully these issues will be worked out. I would love to see other players rally around each other and defend their own. At the same time I would love to see the players realize what they need to do and figure a way to work together to accomplish the goal. Aspiring players now have little light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[14.1player]

So everyone on that list got paid except Danny?

 

[bruin70]

Once again danny, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I have nothing to prove to you or anybody other than getting you paid.
Brady

now THAT'S the funniest thing i've read yet!

i have nothing positive to add to danny's problem except to say this all sounds like "pool business as usual". here's how the prob gets solved,,,one envelope, one stamp, one valid blank check, one pen. and stamps no longer have to be licked, btw.

 

[macguy]

There is one more item that some how I feel I must clear up, Brady mentioned that I did not get a hold of him untill two days after the event which false and frankly what I call candycoating the situation. I finished 7th one spot above Archer and on the last day of the tournament, before the finals match between Efren and Young Wha I asked Brady in a nice manner where do I collect my prize $? He invited me to Q-Master's and said there would be a party and that I would get paid then, I found that to be strange but I tooki a cab to his establishment and there was no Brady and no party, I then proceeded to ask the gentleman at the counter how I could get in touch with Brady, I didn't mention this to anyone except my friend Max Eberly out of respect for Brady. All of this happened on the last day of the event and NOT TWO DAYS AFTER THE TOURNAMENT as he stated in his last post, when they called Brady he said he was not going to be able to make it, I told him that I was heading back to MO in the morning. He said that he would meet me for breakfast and pay me then, by this time I was a little concerned on whether I would get paid or not the next morning (one day after the tourney) I called him again and he said "I'm two hours from you so give me your address and I will mail you a check". I contacted him about one month after the tournament and he said he would get me the $ but it would take a while, a year later I realized I was not having any success so I turned the situation over to my father who knows more about this stuff than I do. My Dad is persistant and finally Brady changed his phone # so he would not have to deal with my Dad. In three and a half years there was no reply from Brady except to shake my hand and be my buddy when he saw me out on the upa tour. The weather was not an issue as to why the certain players did not get paid either, I just wish for once that when someone makes a mistake that they would not colorcoat the situation with excuses another words just apologize and pay up.
It still remains to be seen on whether I will get paid or not but even if I do I will not go back to competing untill they start playing on real pool tables, a bar table plays more difficult by far than what I saw at the World Championships. With diamond tables you have to throw the bridge on the floor as there is never a bridge holder which is a 'pet peve' of mine, But the pockets are generally good cause of how the slate goes back further as with the Olhausen table. Which makes for much cleaner shot making skills even with new cloth where the balls slide in, well enough rambling on the tour and in this forum have a good day everyone and get paid.
Sincerely, "Springfield Danny"

I was at a tournament years ago, if I remember right it was called The James Gaston Memorial tournament. The place was packed every night, food, bar, they made money. Then after the tournament they started making excuses about paying. Since most of those guys were broke and needed the money they were settling for what ever they were offered. You have $1500. coming they may offer you $600. Steve Cook won the tournament and had $10,000 coming. He was with a guy called T.R. his backer. After a brief discussion with T.R. they paid Steve what he had coming real quick. Some of these guys need a dose of reality. Maybe we need to bring back the days of the tush hogs, the Suger Shack Johnnie's and such. I hate reading this stuff.

 

[14.1player]

It still remains to be seen on whether I will get paid or not but even if I do I will not go back to competing untill they start playing on real pool tables, a bar table plays more difficult by far than what I saw at the World Championships. With diamond tables you have to throw the bridge on the floor as there is never a bridge holder which is a 'pet peve' of mine, But the pockets are generally good cause of how the slate goes back further as with the Olhausen table. Which makes for much cleaner shot making skills even with new cloth where the balls slide in, well enough rambling on the tour and in this forum have a good day everyone and get paid.
Sincerely, "Springfield Danny"

I gotta agree with you about the equipment, it should test the players' skills to the max. Maybe pockets barely 2 balls' width wide, and deep shelves. The pockets at the WPC were a joke, balls missed by 1 1/2 diamonds were still dropping cleanly.

 

[!Smorgass Bored]

If he'd sent Danny $20 a week,he'd have been paid off a year ago. But, who's counting ?

 

[gulfportdoc]

If he'd sent Danny $20 a week,he'd have been paid off a year ago. But, who's counting ?

Good point, Tubster! Hell, $50 a month would have done it. Doesn't sound like Danny's on top of the list. However, presumably the guys have all got paid for the past few of Brady's tournaments. Otherwise, who in their right mind would play in one of his events?

Doc

 

[Blackjack]

So everyone on that list got paid except Danny?

The players that were not paid fully were Charlie Williams, Rodney Morris, Danny Harriman and Young-Hwa Jeong. Brady sent a payment to the UPA office yesterday which was received. That payment will be divided amongst the 4 players. I spoke with Danny briefly on the phone today and told him that he would be receiving money. The money is being divided amongst the 4 players because all are owed money and one case does not take precedence over another. The silly part of this is that something could have been worked out between Brady and Danny privately. At one point I had given both the option of having me pay Danny the owed money and then I would have Brady pay me back seeing Danny wanted his money immediately. When I spoke with Danny earlier today, he was very clear that he has no intentions of playing on the pro tour. He did say he would play at the Derby City Classic. I wish Danny the best of luck no matter where he decides to play pool and I will continue to assist him in any way that I can.

 

[jhendri2]

The silly part of this is that something could have been worked out between Brady and Danny privately.

It just seems awefully coincidental that these players are getting paid after Danny started to air this dirty laundry. I'm going to have to call BS on this statement since it's been 2.5 years since the tournament. I believe Danny has been more patient than most people would have.

Jim

 

[Blackjack]

It just seems awefully coincidental that these players are getting paid after Danny started to air this dirty laundry. I'm going to have to call BS on this statement since it's been 2.5 years since the tournament. I believe Danny has been more patient than most people would have.

Jim

Okay. I tag you in. Take over. Call Danny, the UPA, and Brady. Spend as much time trying to correct this as I have, then come back and tell me its BS. I'll tell you straight out in this forum that Danny is not the easiest person to work with in this situation. I'm not knocking Danny, that's just the honest truth. Danny wouldn't argue that. He's mad, and rightfully so. Then factor in the small little factoid that Brady can't crap money out of his butt. He'll pay what he can, he has no problem with that, but he is recovering from hard times. Then go back to the UPA and plead Danny's case to them, and Brady and see how happy they are to assist him after he continues to write about them in this forum, yet refuses to talk to them. When you get frustrated, tag me back in.

This isn't an easy situation to have to correct. No matter what Brady does, there will be people that will criticize him. No matter what increments of payments Danny receives, he will still be unhappy until he gets the full amount. It might take a while. I offered to pay Danny the full amount and he declined to accept. All it would have taken was to work up paperwork between Brady and I to make sure Danny gets paid. By doing that, Danny gets paid, Brady has to deal with me, not Danny, and perhaps the game of pool can get Danny Harriman back. If anybody else has a better idea, call Danny and Brady. Instead of choosing sides and passing judgement, try to help find a solution to this mess. We all know how long it has been and how much is owed and we all agree that payment is long past due. There are people working to ensure that this money is paid in full. There are also people that are working to try and keep this situation from getting any worse. At the same time, we have several threads such as this that break down the communication process.

 

[jhendri2]

Okay. I tag you in. Take over. Call Danny, the UPA, and Brady. Spend as much time trying to correct this as I have, then come back and tell me its BS. I'll tell you straight out in this forum that Danny is not the easiest person to work with in this situation. I'm not knocking Danny, that's just the honest truth. Danny wouldn't argue that. He's mad, and rightfully so. Then factor in the small little factoid that Brady can't crap money out of his butt. He'll pay what he can, he has no problem with that, but he is recovering from hard times. Then go back to the UPA and plead Danny's case to them, and Brady and see how happy they are to assist him after he continues to write about them in this forum, yet refuses to talk to them. When you get frustrated, tag me back in.

This isn't an easy situation to have to correct. No matter what Brady does, there will be people that will criticize him. No matter what increments of payments Danny receives, he will still be unhappy until he gets the full amount. It might take a while. I offered to pay Danny the full amount and he declined to accept. All it would have taken was to work up paperwork between Brady and I to make sure Danny gets paid. By doing that, Danny gets paid, Brady has to deal with me, not Danny, and perhaps the game of pool can get Danny Harriman back. If anybody else has a better idea, call Danny and Brady. Instead of choosing sides and passing judgement, try to help find a solution to this mess. We all know how long it has been and how much is owed and we all agree that payment is long past due. There are people working to ensure that this money is paid in full. There are also people that are working to try and keep this situation from getting any worse. At the same time, we have several threads such as this that break down the communication process.

I'm sure Danny appreciates what you've done, and I definately admire your concern. Have you been working with both parties for the last 2.5 years, or just since Danny made it public on this site?

Jim

 

[Blackjack]

I'm sure Danny appreciates what you've done, and I definately admire your concern. Have you been working with both parties for the last 2.5 years, or just since Danny made it public on this site?

Jim

It doesn't take 2.5 years to settle a problem like this. It takes communication, and a willingness on the part of all involved to work towards a solution.

 

[jhendri2]

It doesn't take 2.5 years to settle a problem like this. It takes communication, and a willingness on the part of all involved to work towards a solution.

I completely agree!

Jim

 

[RoadAgent]

bend over

If the A$$hole would have paid him in the first place there would be no need for this thread..I cant believe people still play in that tournament every year without fail someone gets screwed.

 

[Rod]

It doesn't take 2.5 years to settle a problem like this. It takes communication, and a willingness on the part of all involved to work towards a solution.

David,
Well speaking of communication, a Debtor's Examination would easily show if someone is blowing smoke. It is used by means of a court to evaluate situations like this. I realize that it is not going to court, however the exam still exists. Did you want that for an individual or a corporation?

Rod

 

[wayne]

I offered to pay Danny the full amount and he declined to accept. All it would have taken was to work up paperwork between Brady and I to make sure Danny gets paid. By doing that, Danny gets paid, Brady has to deal with me, not Danny, and perhaps the game of pool can get Danny Harriman back.

WOW!!! That is amazing! Danny gets an offer to be paid in full and DECLINES!!! How can he turn down that offer???? What does he want - interest??? LOL. Now I am completely baffled. I thought Brady was just being critical when he said Danny was nuts but based on this it sounds like Danny is being REALLY bizarre. Let me help Danny out - TAKE THE OFFER!!!!

Wayne

 

[B.J.the bandit]

yep

I was at a tournament years ago, if I remember right it was called The James Gaston Memorial tournament. The place was packed every night, food, bar, they made money. Then after the tournament they started making excuses about paying. Since most of those guys were broke and needed the money they were settling for what ever they were offered. You have $1500. coming they may offer you $600. Steve Cook won the tournament and had $10,000 coming. He was with a guy called T.R. his backer. After a brief discussion with T.R. they paid Steve what he had coming real quick. Some of these guys need a dose of reality. Maybe we need to bring back the days of the tush hogs, the Suger Shack Johnnie's and such. I hate reading this stuff.

I was there Fats didn't get paid,
I remember he gave up 500.00 to give my dad he owed 1,ooo too. We all had a good time The V. F. W. was the action spot I played cards beat a guy out of all his $$ took his shirt off his back, do you remember the spot? I had a tray of rings I was selling,same guy tried to pocket one of the rings I pulled my little over & under on him then played Tonk busted him & sent him home to mommy.LOL I was crazy had a great time with Surffer Rod, Beat Fat Randy too Got Earl Mad Had them fighting in the halls{Randy&Earl] The guy took off with the up money was a Black man,It was a real mess Old timers don't get stiffed!!!