No Jump, No Masse Rule

nksmfamjp

nksmfamjp

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I saw this in another thread and have to ask. How does a guy learn to jump? or masse? On his own table. . .Good plan but I would say many don't have their own table.

Is there a better way to manage this? For example, don't masse or jump unless you basically know how!!

Has anyone seen a scar caused by these two shots when executed basically properly?

I have shot both shots probably 1000's of times and never had a concern, but I did every one with close to good form. Still, it takes some fiddling around with both to even hit a ball let alone pocket and get a leave, so practice must occur.

My home room has a jump cue on the wall, so I think it is OK!
 
I learned to jump and masse by placing a scrap of cloth under the cueball to protect the table. I got the scrap and permission to practice from the room owner. Our room allows us to practice jumps and masses the week before they refelt the tables without a cloth under the cueball.
 
None of the halls/bars I play leagues out of allows jumping. I learned how on my home table with only a handful of chalk "scars" to show for it. It excited the heck out of me the first time I jumped a ball in a game that meant something (tournament).

I have never understood when the room says you may jump "if you know how to do it properly". By the time they figure out that the jumper doesn't do it properly, the damage is done. Then there are the bangers that think they are doing EVERYTHING properly :rolleyes:.

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Our room, the owner doesn't mind during a game, league play or a tournament, but to just practice jumping by yourself, he'll be over and in your face in a second. Can't say I blame him.
 
I don't blame anybody, it is the owners table. It just amazes me how damage can be done. If you strike a proper masse, even really hard, about 75% of the energy goes into the cueball, it seems. Slate stops it without splitting or ripping the table.

Now, it might be possible to do damage if you try to whack it hard with a low angle masse, but that won't really masse at all anyways.

A jump is similar. Basically, you have to hit with such a high angle that about 80+% goes into the CB. Ususally, it doesn't touch or just grazes the cloth.

Now, under ball jumps and tip digging breaks could damages cues and tables, probably, but haven't seen it.
 
The bar where I play does not allow masse or jump shots... Except during league. What surprises me is how often the players on certain teams try to jump. Very low %, lots of fouls, and quite often they choose to jump instead of doing an easy kick.
 
nksmfamjp said:
Has anyone seen a scar caused by these two shots when executed basically properly?
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Yes, I can execute jumps correctly, and Yes I see scars when I jump (Simonis 760).

But then again, I see the same kinds of scars when applyinig draw on a CB within an inch of a rail, I see scars from where the CB was after a hard break with either Draw or Follow. I have a table with cloth 1.7 years old, pock marked with scars. Most people who would come over would think the table is in pristine condition. And so it goes.

The physics of he problem is that the wool used to make the cloth has a certain tensile strength. Certain actionis imparted on the CB (and even OB) cause a force between the bed of the table and the accelerating CB that is great enough to simply break the fibers in the cloth. Break ans in pull apart, or bend so fully that the two halves separate.
 
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