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chefjeff said:
Who is this "we" anyway? "We" need this or "we" need that, "we" should, "we " shouldn't...bah! I know what I like; I have no idea what "we" like.

I'm gonna wait until I see what the results are before I complain or praise this format.

How about encouraging as many people as possible to try things to help pool, and themselves, and then judge by the results? It's called freedom and it usually results in the best product being purchased. If this format is unpopular, the market will tell.

Jeff Livingston

P.S. I like Pool Hall Junkies, and I like the Masters...hmmm...
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Jeff, I must agree! I wish that Grady would stop the "we" talk. I certainly do not agree with many of his statements and opinions. I am guessing from the replies to this and many other threads that I am not alone. A.H. does a lot to promote the game and I never see him on here whining and moaning about how unfair he is treated.
Refrain from the We and put in the Me... I do not think that anyone can speak for all of us Pool Fanatics.
My 2 cents!

Joe
 
chefjeff said:
Who is this "we" anyway? "We" need this or "we" need that, "we" should, "we " shouldn't...bah! I know what I like; I have no idea what "we" like.

I'm gonna wait until I see what the results are before I complain or praise this format.

How about encouraging as many people as possible to try things to help pool, and themselves, and then judge by the results? It's called freedom and it usually results in the best product being purchased. If this format is unpopular, the market will tell.

Jeff Livingston

P.S. I like Pool Hall Junkies, and I like the Masters...hmmm...
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Took the words right out of my mouth. It sounds like some people here are looking to hang before even judged.

Anything to promote.
 
Grady said:
Sifford became the first black golfer to break the color barrier, at about a time when that was happening in many other places and sports. I don't like a lot of what Augusta National and the Masters have done and stand for, like no women members and only token minority membership.I don't thimk it's fair to use him as an example. It was long ago.
I have always considered myself to be completely unbiased but I used to workout every day to Sports Center but no more. It practically makes me sick to hear about the spoiled athletes and I'm very weary of the Black Coaches Assn. They even tried to get people to boycott South Carolina games because the university hired Steve Spurrier.
I've for years felt that I wasn't given a fair chance to do TV commentary. All I ask is a fair audition. I think I'm better than what's currently on.
I don't want to get into a lengthy tirade. I feel though, that if I don't speak out against what I think is really bad for our sport, noone will.
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Perhaps I was unfair to your point. I know you are saying that objective qualifications should be used. Overall the Masters has objective qualifications for playing in the tournament, but that has not always been so and I think they get too much credit. The PGA of America has a poor history on exclusion as well, although they dumped their racist policies sooner. The PGA Tour is new enough that it didn't discriminate. Professional golf does have objective standards as to who qualifies for which tournaments, with the exception of some non official events.
 
? Golf - Vs. - Pool ?

Why would anyone compare Golf to Pool?

Tiger is going to be SPORTS first Billionaire.

Efren is still wearing tennis shoes from Wal-Mart!


TY & GL
 
OldHasBeen said:
Why would anyone compare Golf to Pool?

Tiger is going to be SPORTS first Billionaire.

Efren is still wearing tennis shoes from Wal-Mart!


TY & GL
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The reason people compare the two sports are many. One common reason is because pro pool players desire the paycheques that tour golfers take home.

Golf was not always in this position. Back a few years pro golfers were struggling road warriers, not unlike pool players of today. It's fairly recently that they've become jet-setters. Convince Mark McCormick (sp?) to take on pool and maybe there's a chance it will become a significant professional sport. Trouble might be in getting the players to cooperate IMO.

Dave
 
Thats funny. And so true!

Kevin

OldHasBeen said:
Why would anyone compare Golf to Pool?

Tiger is going to be SPORTS first Billionaire.

Efren is still wearing tennis shoes from Wal-Mart!


TY & GL
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DaveK said:
Convince Mark McCormick (sp?) to take on pool and maybe there's a chance it will become a significant professional sport.
Dave
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Dave,
The truest words ever spoken on this forum. I had a chance to spend an evening with Mark and Arnold Palmer in the late 60's. They predicted a very prosperous future for the PGA - Mark said it was all Arnie's doing, Arnie said nothing would ever have come of golf without Mark. A real, top-flight entrepreneur and a charismatic player could go a long way towards popularizing the game (any game).

P.S. - I think Mark is dead, so I doubt he will be able to help much.
 
Dave - You Say - Golf was not always in this position. Back a few years pro golfers were struggling road warriers, not unlike pool players of today.

Those years ago you speak of - Chi Chi Rodriguez & Lee Travino were hustling Doctors, Lawyers & Corporate Executives on Private Golf Club Courses.

When I was hustling pool for over 20 years - I was hustling Pimps, Thieves & Drug Dealers.

AND YOU THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD COMPARISON ???

TY & GL
 
Pimps, thieves, and drug dealers

Watch it old has been, I resemble that remark. ;)
Purdman ( 55 and going strong )
 
OldHasBeen said:
Dave - You Say - Golf was not always in this position. Back a few years pro golfers were struggling road warriers, not unlike pool players of today.

Those years ago you speak of - Chi Chi Rodriguez & Lee Travino were hustling Doctors, Lawyers & Corporate Executives on Private Golf Club Courses.

When I was hustling pool for over 20 years - I was hustling Pimps, Thieves & Drug Dealers.

AND YOU THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD COMPARISON ???

TY & GL
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My point is that golf has moved beyond that stage into one much more lucrative for all. No question there are still golf hustles and wagering today, however that is no longer a reasonable career path given the junior, college, amateur, and then professional tournament opportunities. These money making opportunities were hard won, and a lot of credit goes to Arnie and IMG. In pool even today people are advising up-and-comers to go on the road and risk everything in order to progress in the game. That huge risk is not needed in golf, as their is now a tremendous development system in place. While most, if not all aspiring pro golfers need financial assistance in getting to the PGA tour, the people/syndicates that back them can see a return if their player succeeds. No opportunities like this exist in pool as far as I can tell. The best opportunities for making money in pool still seem to be in gambling. If professional pool wants to see the same opportunities as the major sports, I suggest that the best path is one similar to that taken by golf. As far as I know Chi Chi and Lee no longer go out seeking action to pay their bills like they had to in days long past.

Dave

PS Willie : I am very envious of you having met and had conversation with Arnie and Mark. They are two of the greatest sports builders of our time, and Arnie had some game to boot !
 
OldHasBeen said:
Dave - You Say - Golf was not always in this position. Back a few years pro golfers were struggling road warriers, not unlike pool players of today.

Those years ago you speak of - Chi Chi Rodriguez & Lee Travino were hustling Doctors, Lawyers & Corporate Executives on Private Golf Club Courses.

When I was hustling pool for over 20 years - I was hustling Pimps, Thieves & Drug Dealers.

AND YOU THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD COMPARISON ???

TY & GL
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Thats right, I always thought I was the underground police,taking down $$ from Drug Dealers,Pimps letting them know how it feels to bottom out!!! They had all the money,no one wanted to beat a family man,I think the players had class of their own,back when!! O.H.B.is RIGHT!!! :D
 
I have a friend ............

I have a friend from northern IL who used to play pool about the 8 under me and played golf @ par or 1 under. He also played very good Gin Rummy. He now lives in FL and belongs to 4 different Private Clubs, has a $1.5 Mil house & a Hummer & Rolls. He says he goes to one of the courses every day praying for rain. Thats when he wins the most playing Gin.

"IT'S NOT THE GAME YOUR PLAYING, IT'S THE GAME IN THE PLAYERS".

TY & GL
 
B.J.the bandit said:
Thats right, I always thought I was the underground police,taking down $$ from Drug Dealers,Pimps letting them know how it feels to bottom out!!! They had all the money,no one wanted to beat a family man,I think the players had class of their own,back when!! O.H.B.is RIGHT!!! :D
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Wait a minute, please. You left out another group in the OHB's list: Thieves.

Drug dealers and hookers/pimps are business people who give something for their services. Thieves give nothing and only destroy values.

If you're winning money from someone and you know the money has been stolen, then what does that make you? Certainly not a person who has "class."

Want pool to improve????...make the distinction, dammit!

Jeff Livingston
 
So when you set up a game should we do a check on where the money comes from? Give me a break. I wouldn't care where the money came from, a pool dollar isn't a easy one and the way I look at it, making stolen money from a theif playing pool doesn't make anyone bad. Do you think retail stores care where the money is from, they take it all the same.

I'm not big on making negative posts back at people, but this one was dumb.

Think, think, think,

Kevin

chefjeff said:
Wait a minute, please. You left out another group in the OHB's list: Thieves.

Drug dealers and hookers/pimps are business people who give something for their services. Thieves give nothing and only destroy values.

If you're winning money from someone and you know the money has been stolen, then what does that make you? Certainly not a person who has "class."

Want pool to improve????...make the distinction, dammit!

Jeff Livingston
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I once beat a guy in Cedar Rapids and.............

I once beat a guy in Cedar Rapids. After he lost about $900, he started going out for 20 minutes or so and coming back with more money. This happened about 6 times before the joint closed.

Two years later I went back after losing 140 Lbs. I went back to the same bar and asked if he was around. The owner said "No, he is in the joint because some pool hustler came through and after losing all he had, he went all over town cashing BAD checks". He is supposed to get out in a few months though.
NOW WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

I went back in about 4 months. Within 2 hours in the same bar - Here he comes and we start to play.
Now when I beat him originally I weighed 310 and played in jeans and tennis shoes and drove a Cadillac.
I was now in a business suit, driving a big Continental and weighed 172.

We played for over 4 hours and I was about $800 winners when all of a sudden (while I was down shooting), he jumps off the bar stool and starts screaming that I was the guy who sent him to jail.
He had finally recognized MY STROKE, but never would have remembered me.

Thank God that, 1. - I was in great shape. 2. - He was not a very intimidating figure of a man (if you know what I mean).

I was able to settle him down after a while by explaining to him that I was doing nothing except what he was trying to do for all his life -
WIN $ AT POOL.

Four days later he brought me to a bar about 75 miles away to play a bookie that had been beating him with the 8 for years. I gave him 1/2 my action and won over $12K.
TO THIS DAY, WE REMAIN GOOD FRIENDS.

The moral to this story is -
"What goes around, really does come back around".

TY & GL
 
crow said:
So when you set up a game should we do a check on where the money comes from? Give me a break. I wouldn't care where the money came from, a pool dollar isn't a easy one and the way I look at it, making stolen money from a theif playing pool doesn't make anyone bad. Do you think retail stores care where the money is from, they take it all the same.

I'm not big on making negative posts back at people, but this one was dumb.

Think, think, think,

Kevin
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Kevin, thanks for replying....it allows me to reiterate...

I think you missed this question in my post:

If you're winning money from someone and you know the money has been stolen, then what does that make you? (Emphasis mine.)

My answers to your questions are:

Should "we" (aye!) do a check on where the money comes from?

No, but if you know the money has been stolen, then what? That you don't care if it is stolen is your problem and pool's problem, and THE point.

Do I think stores care where the money comes from?

How would I know? But I'm guessing that your question merely attempts to divert from your above declaration that you don't care and would gladly accept stolen funds as payment for a bet (and anyone else who would not, should "think, think, think").

Listen, folks...there are posts after posts after posts, ad nauseum, about improving pool and reducing the negative perception that pool players are just low life hustlers and theives. Each one of us can choose at anytime to be part of this problem or part of the solution. It starts with me. I can't really control people who are thieves, but I can refuse to allow them to use their stolen funds with me, and I will point it out to others when I see it, whether in a pool room or on this board.

Jeff Livingston
 
OldHasBeen said:
I once beat a guy in Cedar Rapids. After he lost about $900, he started going out for 20 minutes or so and coming back with more money. This happened about 6 times before the joint closed.

Two years later I went back after losing 140 Lbs. I went back to the same bar and asked if he was around. The owner said "No, he is in the joint because some pool hustler came through and after losing all he had, he went all over town cashing BAD checks". He is supposed to get out in a few months though.
NOW WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

I went back in about 4 months. Within 2 hours in the same bar - Here he comes and we start to play.
Now when I beat him originally I weighed 310 and played in jeans and tennis shoes and drove a Cadillac.
I was now in a business suit, driving a big Continental and weighed 172.

We played for over 4 hours and I was about $800 winners when all of a sudden (while I was down shooting), he jumps off the bar stool and starts screaming that I was the guy who sent him to jail.
He had finally recognized MY STROKE, but never would have remembered me.

Thank God that, 1. - I was in great shape. 2. - He was not a very intimidating figure of a man (if you know what I mean).

I was able to settle him down after a while by explaining to him that I was doing nothing except what he was trying to do for all his life -
WIN $ AT POOL.

Four days later he brought me to a bar about 75 miles away to play a bookie that had been beating him with the 8 for years. I gave him 1/2 my action and won over $12K.
TO THIS DAY, WE REMAIN GOOD FRIENDS.

The moral to this story is -
"What goes around, really does come back around".

TY & GL
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Another great story, Old Has Been---you've got a million of 'em. I like the way he blamed you for his bad actions, but came to be a good friend of yours.

I was just on the phone with the father of a young woman, who 15 years ago as a teenager, burglarized my house. I'm doing some business with him now and he said his daughter is looking for the exact product I market and wants to buy from me. I talked to him about her and he said she is really working on her screwed-up, criminal life and is trying to go straight.

Should I sell to her? I'm not sure yet. I want to help her with what I offer and I'd like to help her go straight, but I don't want to get burnt again, and as I stated in the above posts, I'm not too keen on helping theives---especially when I was her victim.

Your story helps me think about it.

Thanks,

Jeff Livingston
 
chefjeff said:
Glad I could help ya, vapoolplayer...Could you tell me why it made your day?

Jeff Livingston
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just hadn't heard that point of view before, it was refreshing, and made sense in a weird sort of way.......
 
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