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Get your money back from the lesson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do this: setup two balls frozen table length to a corner pocket.
Either by cutting the first ball or hitting it deadon with english(and pocket speed) you can get the frozen combo to miss...
Have him explain that or give your money back, lol...
Do this: setup two balls frozen table length to a corner pocket.
Either by cutting the first ball or hitting it deadon with english(and pocket speed) you can get the frozen combo to miss...
Have him explain that or give your money back, lol...
erikido said:
I'd say your instructor needs to quit teaching pool and start learning. You can setup shots that are clearly not make-able via an obstructing ball and throw them in.. As well you can take two balls frozen to a rail and with the right stroke shot end up on the opposite side of the table (foot rail to head rail etc..) That's done by aiming offline and throwing the object ball back inline.. CueBall gets enough off the rail to come up catch and the english does the rest.
id be willing to bet that this guy tells you that the cue ball banks off of the rail at the same angle that it was shot into it at,,,,,,,,,,,,,at all speeds
a_challenged
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Another example would be an extreme cut shot. Try it with center ball or inside english (try to thin it), and then try with outside english. You will see that the cue ball will "throw" the object ball in. Again, this has to be a VERY tight cut to see the results.
I read a book from a few decades ago that agreed with your teacher, but I think with the examples in the previous posts and this one that it is no longer the case. As the previous posts stated, I challenge that teacher to disprove our examples.
I read a book from a few decades ago that agreed with your teacher, but I think with the examples in the previous posts and this one that it is no longer the case. As the previous posts stated, I challenge that teacher to disprove our examples.
a_challenged said:
This was actually the case (a reverse cut shot) where he stated he actually saw the throw effect in making a ball.
As to all the shots described above I would bet you are elevating the cue when you shoot these. I think an implicatioin he did make was that the cue must be level.
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Erikido
Maybe he noticed that you apply spin in situations that don't require it.......Many times making a cut shot you are better off using center ball or follow to pocket the ball. This is especially true for me when there is a lot of green between the Cb and OB. I had an old timer suggest I use half a tip less for the long shots requiring english, say to make the OB hug the rail on the way to the corner......English keeps the ball from drifting off the rail, but the accuracy of the hit is still critical to making the shot.
Making such a blanket statement like that seems to be over simplifying things.......Either he doesn't know fully what he is talking about or he was trying to make a point... How did the rest of the lesson go? Did he seem competent except for this statement?
McCue Banger McCue
Maybe he noticed that you apply spin in situations that don't require it.......Many times making a cut shot you are better off using center ball or follow to pocket the ball. This is especially true for me when there is a lot of green between the Cb and OB. I had an old timer suggest I use half a tip less for the long shots requiring english, say to make the OB hug the rail on the way to the corner......English keeps the ball from drifting off the rail, but the accuracy of the hit is still critical to making the shot.
Making such a blanket statement like that seems to be over simplifying things.......Either he doesn't know fully what he is talking about or he was trying to make a point... How did the rest of the lesson go? Did he seem competent except for this statement?
McCue Banger McCue
Indeed your teacher is incorrect. With a level cue I can twist a ball in that otherwise would not go. Simply put...there are way too many people giving lessons that shouldn't...I'm one of them. I hurt your wrist as well as your wallet. I make you put a fat rubberband around your wrist...every time you do something stupid...pull it back and let 'er POP!!! Funny how when your wrist is near bleedin' you'll actually remember to stay down on the ball!!! LOL!!!
CB curve as a result of english has a greater impact to causing a missed shot than throw. However, I have heard of an aiming method that does state to always aim at the same spot no matter the english used and then align the cue differently depending on whether using outside or inside english is being used. Maybe this is what he was stating.
Also you might notice that when a strong player uses inside or outside english, they stroke a little firmer. This minimized the throw so you do not need to consider effects as much.
On most tables you should not miss a shot aimed at center pocket because throw. After all you have 1 1/4 inches minimum on both sides to miss and actually considering slop, you have much more area to miss by and still make it. Most shots played do not roll that slow to alter this much unless you are talking about two balls kissing, then the throw is greater because of the added friction.
Also you might notice that when a strong player uses inside or outside english, they stroke a little firmer. This minimized the throw so you do not need to consider effects as much.
On most tables you should not miss a shot aimed at center pocket because throw. After all you have 1 1/4 inches minimum on both sides to miss and actually considering slop, you have much more area to miss by and still make it. Most shots played do not roll that slow to alter this much unless you are talking about two balls kissing, then the throw is greater because of the added friction.
pete lafond said:
I don't see how this is true. The cueball doesn't curve when you hit a shot harder than about medium speed.
If you would like to SEE the proof that throw exists and varies depending on the english used and the strength of the shot, be sure to check out Colin Colenso's thread, and video too, on this.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=30429
Your teacher is mistaken on this point.
Flex
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=30429
Your teacher is mistaken on this point.
Flex
cuetechasaurus said:
I was referring that the effects throw is small by comparison to curve.
Regarding your comment;
You know the shot with the OB at the middle of the foot rail (just a 1/8 inch off the rail) and the CB at spot in the head rail. To make this shot you must hit it harder than medium speed or no energy to make it. You are counting on two things 1. the CB curving 2. the english off the rail first.
pete lafond said:
Do you mean when the OB is frozen to the rail and you make it with inside english? I know that when the ball is not touching the rail the shot is alot harder to make. But I have never seen the cueball curve on this shot. Supposedly it's the english that makes the ball. There is this proposition shot where you put the cueball on top of the rail and you shoot basically the same shot, and that shot curves alot, I am guessing because the cueball is hopping.
cuetechasaurus said:
No, when it is off the rail by 1/8 inch.