Not CTE Not squirt, Not BHE

bobroberts

bobroberts

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I don't understand all these threads about these subjects. Either you can or can't play. Pool is a game of feel and learning cue ball control. Once you have these down you can go on to patterns. You can either play or you can't and all the methods in the world really wont help much. Maybe you can learn a bank shot by the diamond system but if hit wrong the shot still wont go in.
What makes someone play better is time at the table period. The more you practice ,the better you should get. Of course there are always exceptions to the rule. IMHO
 
You raise a "popular belief", that more practice is the key to improvement.

However there is, in my opinion, a huge difference between quantity and quality.

It's like people who go to the gym every day and on day one they bench 135 lbs and on day 365 they are still benching 135 lbs.

If one practices bad habits they reinforce bad habits.

There are some league players having played for over 20 years multiple times weekly that are still ranked the lowest in their league. Clearly just practicing and playing didn't help their game much. They enjoy the game but they aren't progressing just by putting in time pocketing balls.

I respect your assertion but unfortunately can not bring myself to agree to it.
 
bobroberts said:
I don't understand all these threads about these subjects.
Either you can or can't play.
Pool is a game of feel and learning cue ball control. Once you have these down you can go on to patterns. You can either play or you can't and all the methods in the world really wont help much. Maybe you can learn a bank shot by the diamond system but if hit wrong the shot still wont go in.
What makes someone play better is time at the table period.
The more you practice ,the better you should get. Of course there are always exceptions to the rule. IMHO
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Hi Bob. I think you left out a whole bunch of people, those who would like to learn to play better.

I think that the better you practice, the better you get. More ain't much!

SPF=randyg
 
randyg said:
Hi Bob. I think you left out a whole bunch of people, those who would like to learn to play better.

I think that the better you practice, the better you get. More ain't much!

SPF=randyg
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I have to agree with Randy here. Quality practice not the quantity of hours is going to improve your game....and a little SPF goes a long way!!
 
You can or you can't....

I agree somewhat with the OP. Say like...95%...If you learn some system that will make you pocket ANY shot, if you get yourself hooked all the time it will not make you a better player. I too think people care too much about a "Secret" system to make the ball. And I will agree, that if you cannot see where you need to hit the ball to get it in the pocket, you are gonna have a hard time playing pool. And I will also agree, that if you practice bad form you will not get better either. But I wonder how many people would have been great players without practice? Some people on this forum treat the idea of practice like its a bad thing. Bottom line, it takes a lot of time and hard work to play good, no matter who you are. Not just some aiming system.
 
I did leave out quality of practice. My mistake but if your fundamentals are good then practice will make you better. If there not then nothing will work. If your back and eyes and physical well being are all in good shape and your fundamentals are good then just practicing should make you better not systems.
I just feel that pool is getting to complex with math equations and all the different threads about systems, CTE and so forth..
but that of course is IMO.
 
bobroberts said:
I just feel that pool is getting to complex with math equations and all the different threads about systems, CTE and so forth..
but that of course is IMO.
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TAP TAP TAP
Seems anymore that and threads about what's the best cue,tip,chalk,LD shaft,ect.I long for the day's of OHB or Hemicudas and other knowledgeable posters,thank god Jay has stuck around.
 
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Neil said:
This just shows that some people just "don't get it". .
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I must not get it,but I know I'm tired of hearing about it.Did Mosconi use CTE,LD shaft,layered tip, when he ran 528?inquiring minds would like to know?:D
 
just need to know.............

What makes people think they are experts at what is right and what is wrong..that what gets me. Some are zealous in their belief that certain things should be the foundation of learning to play and espouse it to others in a religious way(or pay the price). Where did that come from?


Neil said:
This just shows that some people just "don't get it". No one has ever said that any aiming system will automatically make you a good or great player just by using it. The same goes with pre-shot routines, banking, kicking, position play, thought processes, eye placement, ect.

They are all just pieces of the puzzle. And, to get them to work, you DO have to put time in on the table. Where systems help, and greatly shorten the learning curve, is by showing the RIGHT way to do something. That way, you don't have to spend countless hours doing it the wrong way until you happen to stumble across the right way, if you ever do find the right way. (and most don't)

Time at the table is a prerequisite. No one ever got good at pool by just watching a DVD or reading a book or taking a lesson without shooting. All the systems are so that your time at the table is maximized for the best results. And, even systems are worthless if you don't pay attention to what you are actually doing and the results of it.
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Neil said:
This just shows that some people just "don't get it". No one has ever said that any aiming system will automatically make you a good or great player just by using it. The same goes with pre-shot routines, banking, kicking, position play, thought processes, eye placement, ect.

They are all just pieces of the puzzle. And, to get them to work, you DO have to put time in on the table. Where systems help, and greatly shorten the learning curve, is by showing the RIGHT way to do something. That way, you don't have to spend countless hours doing it the wrong way until you happen to stumble across the right way, if you ever do find the right way. (and most don't)

Time at the table is a prerequisite. No one ever got good at pool by just watching a DVD or reading a book or taking a lesson without shooting. All the systems are so that your time at the table is maximized for the best results. And, even systems are worthless if you don't pay attention to what you are actually doing and the results of it.
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Neil:

Sorry, my friend; concerning the bolded part above, I'm going to have to disagree with you. Aiming system advocates (and we're talking about the pivot-based aiming systems) *HAVE* stated:

  • that "their" system "will make you a better player"
  • that one will go up "x" number of balls using it
  • that it's the best thing to come along since the two-piece cue
  • that its inventor should be in the Hall of Fame because of the performance-changing impact it has (and "will") have
  • that its much easier to teach beginners and for those beginners to reach proficiency quicker than the traditionally-taught methods
  • that it's a more accurate system than the traditionally-taught methods (the phrase "center-pocket" being bandied about)
I notice your "noone has ever said..." claim being tossed about often by the aiming system advocates, but this is pure back-pedaling, to get away from one's feet being held to the fire. Those things *HAVE* been said, and on numerous occasions, by aiming system advocates. And this is the heart of the controversy concerning these aiming systems. It is these sales pitches that cause any thread devoted to these aiming systems to go south.

By calling your post out (above), I don't mean to pick on you specifically, but these back-pedaling claims need to stop. Either stop with the sales pitches, or if the aiming system advocates are to continue using them, be prepared to have one's feet held to the fire -- be prepared to speak for those sales pitches and back them up.

And btw, I plan to do my own investigation when I get Stan's DVD. I hope to do a in-depth DVD review, using my most comprehensive methods -- pros and cons. (I've a lot of experience in doing book and video reviews for the technical/engineering industry, and I'm a published author myself.) And if I can provide a service to AZB by gleaning and discerning the math behind the system, you can bet I'll reveal it here, to do my part in helping squelch these "guaranteed to go south" threads. A tell order, yes, but if I can do it in a reasonable time, I'll do my best to.

-Sean
 
Perhaps in your post below you would find more acceptance if you added "SOME" Aiming System Advocates, as not ALL state these things.

:)

Couldn't help it:)

sfleinen said:
Neil:

Sorry, my friend; concerning the bolded part above, I'm going to have to disagree with you. Aiming system advocates (and we're talking about the pivot-based aiming systems) *HAVE* stated:

  • that "their" system "will make you a better player"
  • that one will go up "x" number of balls using it
  • that it's the best thing to come along since the two-piece cue
  • that its inventor should be in the Hall of Fame because of the performance-changing impact it has (and "will") have
  • that its much easier to teach beginners and for those beginners to reach proficiency quicker than the traditionally-taught methods
  • that it's a more accurate system than the traditionally-taught methods (the phrase "center-pocket" being bandied about)
I notice your "noone has ever said..." claim being tossed about often by the aiming system advocates, but this is pure back-pedaling, to get away from one's feet being held to the fire. Those things *HAVE* been said, and on numerous occasions, by aiming system advocates. And this is the heart of the controversy concerning these aiming systems. It is these sales pitches that cause any thread devoted to these aiming systems to go south.

By calling your post out (above), I don't mean to pick on you specifically, but these back-pedaling claims need to stop. Either stop with the sales pitches, or if the aiming system advocates are to continue using them, be prepared to have one's feet held to the fire -- be prepared to speak for those sales pitches and back them up.

And btw, I plan to do my own investigation when I get Stan's DVD. I hope to do a in-depth DVD review, using my most comprehensive methods -- pros and cons. (I've a lot of experience in doing book and video reviews for the technical/engineering industry, and I'm a published author myself.) And if I can provide a service to AZB by gleaning and discerning the math behind the system, you can bet I'll reveal it here, to do my part in helping squelch these "guaranteed to go south" threads. A tell order, yes, but if I can do it in a reasonable time, I'll do my best to.

-Sean
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Great Players

If have seen all the great ones, including Wimpy! The master shark! A real gambler, carried his heat in his pocket and shot the lights out! I saw Mosconi fire balls in. One thing they had in common, their great sight, their great shot selection, knowing when you have a shot and when to take cover, the will to look disaster in the eye and say "Hell NO not today" and lastly "A stroke from God" After all the items above, the stroke does the work, if you don't direct the cue ball it will destroy you! It is good sound practice that develops a terrific stroke. Try directing the cue ball to the object ball and forget just hitting it with the stick. All these great methods to encourge people to play bad pool is not healthy.
One other item to aid you on your journey, you never see a real Hustler In a Hurry, Oxymoron, a book is out on the Stroke, find it and read it. The Author; Carlos Ledson Miller
 
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I didn't intend this thread to go south. I am not about bashing systems or new technology but and of course there is a but. If you are taught the right way from the start how to play and practice, you should become good. Now you are taught the right way from the beginning but you don't have your heart into it you will never become good. For me personally i don't think a book or a video would ever help but one on one from a QUALIFIED instructor is a different story.
By qualified i mean he would have to be at least as good or better then i am.
Maybe not a pro but would have to be able to run some balls for me to respect him as an instructor. My belief is, if you don't have the natural stroke, you will only get to a certain point no matter how much you practice or try to learn.
My first thoughts for this thread were getting back to basics and forgetting all the gimmicks.
 
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