Not the USUAL tip question

I bought a variety of the Precision tips last year at the expo. Dennis & I had spoke of the process several times in great length, so I was eager to try them. All he asked was that I give them an honest trial & offer feedback if I had any. Being almost a year now, I am fairly concrete in my assessment. They feel the hardness they're supposed to be, wear quite well, cut & shape just fine without falling apart, and they play great. They apply more spin than I am used to, so there was some adjustment with that, but that is hardly anything to complain about. It simply means I don't have to go as far off center or stroke as firm as I typically would. I have no real feedback to offer on the tips other than, "good job". Precision tips get my vote of confidence.

That said, if I did have an issue with the tips, the first person I'd mention it to would be Dennis. I wouldn't jump on a public forum to bash the product. People who know him know that he would appreciate any feedback, especially negative so he could address it and grow from from it. The more somebody works to improve a product, the better we all are for having more advanced equipment. Making snide remarks in a public setting does nothing positive for the product nor the poster.
 
I get "strange" tip questions all the time, "can you install a tip with more draw?" is a common one...
What combination feels right for you, only you can tell.
To make matters worse, it does not even seem to be a consensus of what a spesific tip or shaft`s charateristics are. two players can try the same shaft and tip and come up with very different descriptions of how that shaft felt.
 
Kid Dynomite said:
I believe the criticism is related to prior cue dealings and less to do with the product. But, what do I know???

Kd
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Could be. If so, i'm unaware & it's none of my business. That would make bashing a tip seem like an opportunistic, vindictive, underhanded swipe intended to hurt someone then. Seems childish & counterproductive to me, but what do I know?

Like I said, none of my business. A legit question came up about tip hardness & I attempted to give an answer. Some raw statements were made about a particular tip that I thought were off handed, so I replied with my own feelings. I don't know if it's the time of year or times we live in, but folks are just mean spirited nowadays. Makes participating in a forum less appealing by the day.
 
qbilder said:
Could be. If so, i'm unaware & it's none of my business. That would make bashing a tip seem like an opportunistic, vindictive, underhanded swipe intended to hurt someone then. Seems childish & counterproductive to me, but what do I know?

Like I said, none of my business. A legit question came up about tip hardness & I attempted to give an answer. Some raw statements were made about a particular tip that I thought were off handed, so I replied with my own feelings. I don't know if it's the time of year or times we live in, but folks are just mean spirited nowadays. Makes participating in a forum less appealing by the day.
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These comments are obviously directed at me, as your post and the email I received from Dennis himself were hours apart, and pretty much say the exact same thing. In fact, some of the passages are identical, word for word.

These tips have been praised and criticized for the past 2 years. I don’t see why my words all of a sudden draw the ire of two cuemakers, when many have posted worse about these tips during the past two years.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
These comments are obviously directed at me, as your post and the email I received from Dennis himself were hours apart, and pretty much say the exact same thing. In fact, some of the passages are identical, word for word.

These tips have been praised and criticized for the past 2 years. I don’t see why my words all of a sudden draw the ire of two cuemakers, when many have posted worse about these tips during the past two years.
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I never directed anything to you. Had I intended to, I promise I would have quoted or called on you by name directly. Innuendo games aren't my thing. If I had issue with you, you'd be the first and likely only one to know it, and it wouldn't be a public production. Me disagreeing with your opinion on a tip doesn't mean I have a bone to pick. It only means we have different opinions.

As for whatever collaboration you are insinuating, i'm not sure what to say. Give me enough credit to assume I am capable of my own opinions, assembling my own words. If there are word for word passages said by myself and somebody else, in this case it's 100% cioncidence. Perhaps more than just me cringe at the thought of seeing all the negativity that ruins this forum. We all love pool, love cues, love talking about it with others of similar interest. Why ruin it with cruelty & insult?
 
qbilder said:
I never directed anything to you. Had I intended to, I promise I would have quoted or called on you by name directly. Innuendo games aren't my thing. If I had issue with you, you'd be the first and likely only one to know it, and it wouldn't be a public production. Me disagreeing with your opinion on a tip doesn't mean I have a bone to pick. It only means we have different opinions.

As for whatever collaboration you are insinuating, i'm not sure what to say. Give me enough credit to assume I am capable of my own opinions, assembling my own words. If there are word for word passages said by myself and somebody else, in this case it's 100% cioncidence. Perhaps more than just me cringe at the thought of seeing all the negativity that ruins this forum. We all love pool, love cues, love talking about it with others of similar interest. Why ruin it with cruelty & insult?
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I’ve already removed my comment about the tips.
 
Kid Dynomite said:
deleted my post and quote

Kd
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I wasn’t offended. I never had any bad dealings with Dennis, and don’t own one, and never have owned, one of his cues. I consider him one of the most sought after makers on the planet, and anything I’ve seen of his has been of the utmost in precision and quality. I have never said ONE bad word about the man.
 
MarkDT said:
I have a question for the experts here on AZB. I just received a new Lambros cue for Christmas. (How on earth did I make the Good List)? Both shafts are heavy 4.15 and 4.23 and built with a VERY STIFF taper. Per my request. My question is, should I consider a softer tip to go with the stiffer shaft taper or should I continue to play with the Medium Searing Precision Tip that I have been using lately? Can you all please explain in Layman Terminology why a softer tip or a harder tip is a better option for a heavy, stiff type of shaft. Thank you to EVERYBODY for their feedback in advance.
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I would recommend "in General" as soon as you have a very stiff shaft to use a soft or max a medium tip.

Of course there are also good hard tips outthere- which have enough grip. But what is fact: A very stiff shaft is not *so much forgiving"- and from this Point of view i would how i said a soft or medium tip.


enjoy your Christmas present :-)
 
Ratta said:
I would recommend "in General" as soon as you have a very stiff shaft to use a soft or max a medium tip.

Of course there are also good hard tips outthere- which have enough grip. But what is fact: A very stiff shaft is not *so much forgiving"- and from this Point of view i would how i said a soft or medium tip.


enjoy your Christmas present :-)
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My perspective is quite different. I play with stiff shafts (4.0-4.4 oz., 13.0-13.1 mm at the ferrule and 13-5-13.7 mm at 6”) and hard tips (several brands). I don’t look at stiff shafts as being less forgiving. I think of them as less reactive to off-center hits. When I play with soft tips and/or whippy shafts, I feel the need to shoot harder to overcome how much either one of those factors is softening the impact of my intended stroke. A stiff shaft removes one of the variables so that I only need to deal with the properties of the tip. I don’t shoot with hard tips because I have a powerful stroke; quite the opposite. I shoot with them because they put so much action on the cue ball that I compensate by either hitting softer and/or closer to center, both of which have been good for my game. I chalk before each shot which is not only minimizes miscues (a common complaint for hard tips), but also provides a mental break between shots. YMMV
 
Sealegs50 said:
My perspective is quite different. I play with stiff shafts (4.0-4.4 oz., 13.0-13.1 mm at the ferrule and 13-5-13.7 mm at 6”) and hard tips (several brands). I don’t look at stiff shafts as being less forgiving. I think of them as less reactive to off-center hits. When I play with soft tips and/or whippy shafts, I feel the need to shoot harder to overcome how much either one of those factors is softening the impact of my intended stroke. A stiff shaft removes one of the variables so that I only need to deal with the properties of the tip. I don’t shoot with hard tips because I have a powerful stroke; quite the opposite. I shoot with them because they put so much action on the cue ball that I compensate by either hitting softer and/or closer to center, both of which have been good for my game. I chalk before each shot which is not only minimizes miscues (a common complaint for hard tips), but also provides a mental break between shots. YMMV
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Are you saying that harder tips put more, or less, action on the cueball than a soft tip? I’m having trouble with my interpretation of what you’ve written.
 
Sealegs50 said:
My perspective is quite different. I play with stiff shafts (4.0-4.4 oz., 13.0-13.1 mm at the ferrule and 13-5-13.7 mm at 6”) and hard tips (several brands). I don’t look at stiff shafts as being less forgiving. I think of them as less reactive to off-center hits. When I play with soft tips and/or whippy shafts, I feel the need to shoot harder to overcome how much either one of those factors is softening the impact of my intended stroke. A stiff shaft removes one of the variables so that I only need to deal with the properties of the tip. I don’t shoot with hard tips because I have a powerful stroke; quite the opposite. I shoot with them because they put so much action on the cue ball that I compensate by either hitting softer and/or closer to center, both of which have been good for my game. I chalk before each shot which is not only minimizes miscues (a common complaint for hard tips), but also provides a mental break between shots. YMMV
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I play with a soft tip/ somewhat whippy shaft, just tried it out, shot a little harder and damned if my shots didn't stay on line more! Does anyone else share a similar experience?
 
Sealegs50 said:
More action.
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Agreed. I play with regular maple shafts with hard pressed triangle tips. Lots of feedback. I believe the hard tips compress less therefore more energy goes into the cue ball rather than being absorbed by the tip.
 
What is a "hard pressed" Triangle tip? I use triangle tips. Do you harp press your own? How is it done?
 
tableroll said:
What is a "hard pressed" Triangle tip? I use triangle tips. Do you harp press your own? How is it done?
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It is exactly what it sounds like. It gets put into a press before it is installed. I do not work on my own shafts and tips so I cannot tell you for how long they are pressed. They never mushroom and rarely need shaping.
 
tableroll said:
What is a "hard pressed" Triangle tip? I use triangle tips. Do you harp press your own? How is it done?
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I bought a few several years ago. That source is no longer active. They were fine tips, but I could not distinguish them from good Triangles out of the box. If you want to experiment doing it yourself, you can buy a cue tip press from Amazon.
 
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