Fred, you can't help teach someone that doesn't want to learn.....lol.
Yeah, why doesn't the international community listen to the likes of you and fat boy?
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Fred, you can't help teach someone that doesn't want to learn.....lol.
you asked Eric/Fatboy to show you somewhere on the Internet that there were lots of Elephants. I did that for him. They even have legal hunting there as part of their need to cull.What is your point, Freddie!? Crap, now I'm a thread hijacker. But I gotta ask....Freddie, what is your point?
If you're saying that some areas of Africa have a stable elephant population, yes, I agree with that.
If you're saying that the elephant population of Africa as a whole is stable, I don't agree with that.
Have we been agreeing on the same thing all this time?
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Yeah, why doesn't the international community listen to the likes of you and fat boy?
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Hey Fatboy,
We agree on a lot of stuff, especially in NPR, but this just happens to not be one of them.
The elephant population has shrunk to less than half a million in Africa and Asia. It's the largest land animal on the planet, and quite a majestic creature. Very intelligent creatures even though they are afraid of mice (it's true).
They are very expressive creatures. They show joy, anger, grief, compassion, love. Elephants, unlike many animals, are VERY emotionally attached toward other family members, almost on par with humans. A mother elephant protects her "child" at all costs and never lets it out of her sight, and that loving bond lasts 50 years.
Elephants also mourn their loved ones. They go through quite a grieving process that sometimes takes years. Elephants NEVER forget where their loved ones died, and will respect the area for life. They will even touch the old bones left behind for a few minutes as to paying some type of "tribute"....
Even as the elder ones die, the younger elephants will comfort the dying elder until death by stroking their feet, and lying next to them. Basically, they don't let them die alone... truly inspiring if you ask me... The sad part about marriage is that one of us may die alone, so part of me hopes my wife dies first so I can be there for her when her time comes....
There are numerous documentation about elephants trying to help other species, in one instance, a baby rhino was stuck in the mud. The elephant was trying to push the baby rhino to safety, though the momma rhino kept charging and attacking the elephant. But the elephant would not give up. The elephant was risking her life for an animal not related to her, nor from her own species.....
Elephant herds will not abandon their own. If an elephant is sick or has a gimp leg, it will slow the entire herd so the sick elephant can keep up. Family is important to them as it is to us.
So, I really cannot believe in my hearts of hearts that someone, anyone could really enjoy killing an elephant. They are slaughtered only because folks want to make jewelry out of ivory... which can be made out of a million other things. And in most cases are..... but some folks don't want to change their "traditions" for whatever reasons.
Others are slaughtered due to African hunting expeditions, which means they are being killed for "shits and giggles"... Most folks do NOT eat elephant...
There was a famous "shark hunter" that killed thousands of sharks, until one day, a group of scientists took him out for a week to see what they "do". They study the shark but tracking them, taking photos, studying how they eat, when they eat, what they eat...where they mate, where they feed, etc. etc.
The old shark hunter never knew how truly interesting sharks were, and was fascinated with the week trip, and NOT one shark was killed in the process. Rather than try and "force" their opinion on him, they just invited him out to see for his own eyes, no strings attached. He swore from that day on to never kill another shark, and staring a sight seeing shark tour.......
Oh well, didn't mean to bore you, but you are one smart dude, and thought you might want to see another angle..... African safari trips with out the "kills" are just as popular and as those where elephants are killed in the process..... Ok, I'll get off my soap box !!
you asked Eric/Fatboy to show you somewhere on the Internet that there were lots of Elephants. I did that for him. They even have legal hunting there as part of their need to cull.
My point is also that the cause for the demise of the elephant is human encroachment and the inabilty to fund the types of programs that are proven to work in the southern African states. Your link shows that someone finally has woken up to those two points as the majority of those bullet points address those two specifically. But the programs need funding.
The funding of such herd management wasn't explicitly stated that I could see and that funding was available. Someone correct me if it was explicit and I just didnt see it.
If culling happens in the southern states where elephants are over-populous and the ivory from culling were LEGAL to sell, that's one source for funding.
The irony is that by prohibiting that sale and then just burning it, the one obvious source to help fund their survival is being cutoff.
Freddie <~~~ poaching might be reduced if there less reason to poach
Pretty close. The culling already happens where elephants thrive and are populous. They warehouse the ivory. They have hunts that foreigners pay for. Ivory costs lots to warehouse. If aren't allowed to sell it, they have to burn tons. People assume the burning ivory is from poaching.But to summarize your position...you say that there is poaching in some areas because they don't have the same quality of conservation as the thriving areas...so they should kill off (cull) the extra elephants from thriving areas, sell off the ivory, and use that money to better fund conservation in the areas with poaching problems. Is this accurate?
Ok, I think I've got it. Back to my first post...I didn't ask Fatboy to show me where there are a lot of elephants. I asked him to show me something that says there's no problem with the African elephant population because his view is that the elephant population issues are all American Media BS that he is really sick of. What you keep mentioning is the elephant population in specific areas....not as a whole.
But to summarize your position...you say that there is poaching in some areas because they don't have the same quality of conservation as the thriving areas...so they should kill off (cull) the extra elephants from thriving areas, sell off the ivory, and use that money to better fund conservation in the areas with poaching problems. Is this accurate?
Responding to a thread, then getting responses to your post, then giving your phone # out because you are too stupid to actually support your statement and acting like you are so tough because someone hasn't called you is some p_ssy shit.
I support getting all of the telemarketing scammers who preyed on elderly victims together on an island and the victim's children can hunt and shoot them. We will, of course, use their empty skulls as inlays in cues.
Responding to a thread, then getting responses to your post, then giving your phone # out because you are too stupid to actually support your statement and acting like you are so tough because someone hasn't called you is some p_ssy shit.
I support getting all of the telemarketing scammers who preyed on elderly victims together on an island and the victim's children can hunt and shoot them. We will, of course, use their empty skulls as inlays in cues.
no, the ivory from culls is wear housed, the $$$ from people who go hunting and pay $10,000-$20,000 or more for the licence to shoot one bull jumbo is where the $$$ comes from for anti poaching efforts(govt sponsored anti poaching) and also from Park revenue and taxes imposed on safari companies that lease Govt land to conduct Safari's on. See its a real business, not a bunch of rich blood thirst rich jack-asses blasting everything that moves.
Just so I fully understand, because someone pays $10-20,000 for a government controlled "hunt" that means they are not a blood-thirsty, rich jackass? I understand the need to cull, however I think its sad that folks get a thrill our of "hunting" in this way. I guess my only concern would be if the government is making a decent amount of money from these type of hunts, then it would be in their best interest to keep them going (keep the elephants "over-populated"). If they considered other types of population control, they wouldn't make as much, would they?
Just so I fully understand, because someone pays $10-20,000 for a government controlled "hunt" that means they are not a blood-thirsty, rich jackass? I understand the need to cull, however I think its sad that folks get a thrill our of "hunting" in this way. I guess my only concern would be if the government is making a decent amount of money from these type of hunts, then it would be in their best interest to keep them going (keep the elephants "over-populated"). If they considered other types of population control, they wouldn't make as much, would they?
Ok, I think I've got it. Back to my first post...I didn't ask Fatboy to show me where there are a lot of elephants. I asked him to show me something that says there's no problem with the African elephant population because his view is that the elephant population issues are all American Media BS that he is really sick of. What you keep mentioning is the elephant population in specific areas....not as a whole.
But to summarize your position...you say that there is poaching in some areas because they don't have the same quality of conservation as the thriving areas...so they should kill off (cull) the extra elephants from thriving areas, sell off the ivory, and use that money to better fund conservation in the areas with poaching problems. Is this accurate?
lets meet up next time i'm in norcal, i got no problems with that
to answer you more specifically, most ppl dont get a thrill from killing. I been around lots of ppl who hunt in Africa. thrill killers are few and far between
You can sit around in the middle of nowhere and live off the land without killing an elephant... People get a kick out of killing. They hang the heads on a wall and show off how well they killed something purely for sport. Trophies. But I guess you're gonna compare that to winning a pool tournament...
That's a very small percentage of people you are describing.
Aw shoot, all I really wanted was invitation to call you. Sniffle.