Not To Beat A Dead Elephant
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i have some taxidermy-that's what its called. none of it is hanging on any of my walls.
I dont know shit about elephants but I do know that if I lived in east shithole africa and had the choice between my family starving or wacking out a giant cow with a great PR I'm shooting the elephant.
Want to save the elephants ? Save the people first. They can have all the anti-poaching squads and campaigns they want. As long as a guy can make more shooting an elephant or rhino than he can in years doing anything else you are going to have an endless supply of people ready to roll the dice.
I suspect just like the drug war in the US there are lots of people and organizations who stand to make more off of maintaining the status quo than actually implementing solutions. Humans are simply assholes.
As for hunting its not my thing. Never had the patience or desire. I have met some great hunters and some who really skeeze me out. Like most things in life.
Want to save the elephants ? Save the people first. They can have all the anti-poaching squads and campaigns they want. As long as a guy can make more shooting an elephant or rhino than he can in years doing anything else you are going to have an endless supply of people ready to roll the dice.
I suspect just like the drug war in the US there are lots of people and organizations who stand to make more off of maintaining the status quo than actually implementing solutions. Humans are simply assholes.
As for hunting its not my thing. Never had the patience or desire. I have met some great hunters and some who really skeeze me out. Like most things in life.
It would be pachyderm in this case?
Actually, it is often based on what a person can get out of it - recreation or profit.
Very sad.
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They are using elephants for common labor in many countries (heck even in game shows like The Amazing Race), I don't see anyone using the American Condor to fly their crap around. While the population for sure is less than when humans started poking around off the trees and making sharp sticks and fire, they can't be that endangered or they'd keep people from tying saddles and cute hats on them.
I need to take some pics of the pool room I go to, the owner has his hand in a few businesses and travels and hunts a lot. Room is filled with deer, moose heads, whole wild boar, a monkey, hyena, bunch of stuff. Very neat, never heard any customers complain, but they do like to look around.
Thank you to those of you who posted the links. Some very intereting reading there. We appreciate it.
Have a great day.
Have a great day.
OOOOOOOOOOOOO, the irony hurts...
technically speaking a human is an animal, and you do seem like an ASS to boot, Mr. Bruce.
I'm all for debate, but mud slinging is not really necissary. For all the smack your talking, I have yet to see you back it up. In addition you sound like someone's extra account, who is too afraid to say the things they want to with their regular account.
Please stop.
Kind of like cattle????????????????????
I guess I must live with a bunch of blood thirst jack asses out here in SD who slaughter beef for $$$...
There's a reason I ignored it (speaking solely for me), the romantic West Side Story seems to be about the legendary Frank Mundus, the guy who was the inspiration for Quint in Jaws.
But Frank Mundus the legendary shark hunter turned conservationist didn't stop hunting and killing sharks. He pioneered tagging and monitoring sharks to better understand breeding and biology. He took catch and release from the normal fishing industry into sharking as well. He also pioneered the "more humane" way to hook a shark.
Prior to his death, Frank Mundus was still taking sharking tours and yes, killing sharks.
Freddie <~~~ so I ignored it because unless the OP was talking about some other famous shark hunter-turned-conservationist, then I put it into the romanticized bit bin
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Yes, I'm familiar with Frank Mundus. Honestly, I'm quite ill-informed about the elephant situation in Africa and probably shouldn't discuss it. I was just pointing out, as an outsider looking in, that it seems a shame that discussions about the morality of killing animals in the wild always seem to be based on population numbers. Especially in the case of elephants, whose strong family bonds and mourning of others has been well documented. I realize that over population of any species can cause very real problems though, so whaddya gonna do? Life isn't fair and I suppose there are no easy answers.
those working elephants are Asian, they are much more docile than their African cousins. there are very few African elephants that are tame. The Asian elephants have small ivory and big heads, they are fun too. In Thailand I played with the babys and rode a big one-it was in a bad mood and hungry, after it ate the rest of the ride was much smoother.
My point was it should not matter if they are endangered or not. There is no reason to kill a majestic creature such as an elephant. And yes, some of the illiterate locals, trying to make a living don't know any better. But 99% of the rest of the world does or should.
My god, there has to be more "fun" things to do that kill an elephant. I'm not pushing to outlaw all hunting, but some creatures deserve a pass, and since we are the elephants (adult) only known predator, we are the only ones that can give it to them.
he became something of a conservationist in later years. He promoted the use of circle hooks, which catch in the jaw, not the gut, increasing a shark’s chances of survival if it escapes or is released. He also helped start a shark-tagging program and voiced support for catch-and-release fishing.
That's a pretty big deal when you talk about a guy who slaughtered tens of thousands of sharks for no good reason. He began to tag them, track them, and killed very few in his later years.
Yes, another one of Earth's majestic creatures. The shark was around when dinosaurs were roaming the earth, and again, have no natural enemy except humans. And the very few species that will "kill" other species of sharks.
The Japanese are famous for catching sharks, chopping off their fin, and throwing them back into the ocean to drown, just so they can make shark fin soup which the dopes believe to be an afrodisiac.
Kinda a ridiculous.... especially when you could use the fin from any other fish, and NOBODY would know the difference...... but, that is human nature I guess.....kinda sad, but just a fact of life....