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Tbeaux said:
OK hmmm,

All you legal wannabees answer me this... if a newspaper or magazine photog takes a pic of Joe and Jimbo beating the sh*t out of each other in the middle of a public street with $5000.00 Bushkas can he print the pic without a model release or does he have to bail them both outta jail and get them to sign one?
And if he doesn't have to can I then post the pic onthis forum??? :D

Terry ( who'll never own a Bushka)

Now THIS is funny!!
 
1pRoscoe said:
There are no rights to pictures until they are copyrighted.
I believe this is incorrect. We had a long thread on this recently. The man who took the picture owns the copywrite automatically. No registration has to occur.

Fred
 
and the value of the pic was estimated at $10-20. value of the discussion = pricelesss.
 
1pRoscoe said:
Then your friend wasn't as trustworthy as you thought, I guess.

Pics of cues are meant to be shared. If you don't want people posting your pics, I suggest you do something like this:

i12.jpg
very nice collection
 
Fred Agnir said:
I believe this is incorrect. We had a long thread on this recently. The man who took the picture owns the copywrite automatically. No registration has to occur.

Fred

I believe that a photo is a form of intellectual property which belongs to the person who took it. In my understanding, it is very similiar to the case of a painter owning the right to his painting unless some other agreement was in place. No copyright was required. Downloading any picture on the Internet without the consent from the owner of the picture is illegal.

Taking public picture about a fight with or without a $5000 cue is a bit different because a different set of rules would apply. In this case, it involves the photoshooting of a public incident for a newspaper or a news boardcast. If JimBo and Joe is a celebrity, another set of laws would once again apply. Since JimBo nor Joe is considered a celebrity and they are not yet convicted, I believe they faces are not allowed to be fully shown in the newspaper in order to protect their privacy. I do not believe a model release is required.

I am not trying to take sides here nor am I trying to get involved in a fight between Jim and Joe. I am just trying to clarify some misunderstandings according to my knowledge. If there is anything I said that is incorrect, please feel free to correct me. I do want to know more about the laws in these various types of situation.

Thank you.
 
nipponbilliards said:
- "I believe that a photo is a form of intellectual property..."


- " If JimBo and Joe is a celebrity.."

- "If there is anything I said that is incorrect, please feel free to correct me. I do want to know more about the laws in these various types of situation."

You are incorrect. Since you wanted to know about it, I'll tell you:

1) You've used the word "intellectual" in the same post as the words JimBo and Joe. Never do that.

2) You've spoken directly to Fred without first begging his permission and groveling shamelessly.

3) You've used a phrase in the wrong tense. The correct phrase would be "If JimBo and Joe were celebrities...", which of course, they are NOT.

-Bean
 
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JellyBean said:
You are incorrect. Since you wanted to know about it, I'll tell you:

1) You've used the word "intellectual" in the same post as the words JimBo and Joe. Never do that.

2) You've spoken directly to Fred without first begging his permission and groveling shamelessly.

3) You've used a prepositional phrase in the wrong tense. The correct phrase would be "If JimBo and Joe were celebrities...", which of course, they are NOT.

-Bean

1) maybe...

2) he is ok most of the time...

3) says who?

Joe (---we will be on the next celebrity boxing on FOX :)
 
jimbo may not be officially a "celebrity" but he sure makes me laugh. i love how he acts like an anal retentive old lady!!
 
I don't want to give out free legal advice: but there are a couple of things that I wanted to clarify, and also some information that those interested in copyrights should be aware of.

Of course, do not construe any of this as legal advice, you should always retain independent counsel when dealing with legal matters. With that said:

One important point is that owning a copyright in a work is distinct from enforcing it.

Works are considered copyrighted when they are fixed, i.e., placed in a sufficiently permanent tangible medium (see 17 U.S.C §101 - aka 1976 Copyright Act. All statutory references refer to 17 U.S.C. unless otherwise noted)

Generally, you must register your work BEFORE you can sue in federal court. Your damages may be affected based on the date you register and the date of the infringement. Although your rights in the work vest immediately after fixation, your rights to a DAMAGES are governed by the Copyright Act. § 411 (for example, actual damages, lost profits, statutory damages, attorney's fees etc.) [Additional requirement may benefit international publication under the Berne convention.]

I.e., it is beneficial to register your copyrighted material in order to preserve all of your rights - including the right to sue for statutory damages and attorney's fees! § 411 et. seq., and §501 et. seq. Statutory damages range from $200 - $30,000 based on the egregiousness of the infringement (§504(c)). An infringement action may cost in excess of $10,000, so getting attorney's fees is a HUGE plus! (If your case gets really big, it is possible to spend over $250,000 a month...)​

There is a 3 year statute of limitations (§ 507). But you may have a 'rolling' deadline based on continuing infringement.

The duration of a copyright is generally life of the author plus 70 years (but may vary based on the date of fixation/publication) See § 301 et seq.

Just some info to keep in mind... ;)

-td

Fred Agnir said:
I believe this is incorrect. We had a long thread on this recently. The man who took the picture owns the copywrite automatically. No registration has to occur.

Fred
 
td873 said:
I don't want to give out free legal advice: but there are a couple of things that I wanted to clarify, and also some information that those interested in copyrights should be aware of.

Of course, do not construe any of this as legal advice, you should always retain independent counsel when dealing with legal matters. With that said:

One important point is that owning a copyright in a work is distinct from enforcing it.

Works are considered copyrighted when they are fixed, i.e., placed in a sufficiently permanent tangible medium (see 17 U.S.C §101 - aka 1976 Copyright Act. All statutory references refer to 17 U.S.C. unless otherwise noted)

Generally, you must register your work BEFORE you can sue in federal court. Your damages may be affected based on the date you register and the date of the infringement. Although your rights in the work vest immediately after fixation, your rights to a DAMAGES are governed by the Copyright Act. § 411 (for example, actual damages, lost profits, statutory damages, attorney's fees etc.) [Additional requirement may benefit international publication under the Berne convention.]

I.e., it is beneficial to register your copyrighted material in order to preserve all of your rights - including the right to sue for statutory damages and attorney's fees! § 411 et. seq., and §501 et. seq. Statutory damages range from $200 - $30,000 based on the egregiousness of the infringement (§504(c)). An infringement action may cost in excess of $10,000, so getting attorney's fees is a HUGE plus! (If your case gets really big, it is possible to spend over $250,000 a month...)​

There is a 3 year statute of limitations (§ 507). But you may have a 'rolling' deadline based on continuing infringement.

The duration of a copyright is generally life of the author plus 70 years (but may vary based on the date of fixation/publication) See § 301 et seq.

Just some info to keep in mind... ;)

-td


Uh ...Yeah,that's the answer I was lookin' for. :D
But can I still post the fight pic on this forum? :D


Terry (who still will never own a Buska)
 
JellyBean said:
You are incorrect. Since you wanted to know about it, I'll tell you:

1) You've used the word "intellectual" in the same post as the words JimBo and Joe. Never do that.

2) You've spoken directly to Fred without first begging his permission and groveling shamelessly.

3) You've used a phrase in the wrong tense. The correct phrase would be "If JimBo and Joe were celebrities...", which of course, they are NOT.

-Bean

:D :D

Thanks
 
td873 said:
I don't want to give out free legal advice: but there are a couple of things that I wanted to clarify, and also some information that those interested in copyrights should be aware of.

Of course, do not construe any of this as legal advice, you should always retain independent counsel when dealing with legal matters. With that said:

One important point is that owning a copyright in a work is distinct from enforcing it.

Works are considered copyrighted when they are fixed, i.e., placed in a sufficiently permanent tangible medium (see 17 U.S.C §101 - aka 1976 Copyright Act. All statutory references refer to 17 U.S.C. unless otherwise noted)

Generally, you must register your work BEFORE you can sue in federal court. Your damages may be affected based on the date you register and the date of the infringement. Although your rights in the work vest immediately after fixation, your rights to a DAMAGES are governed by the Copyright Act. § 411 (for example, actual damages, lost profits, statutory damages, attorney's fees etc.) [Additional requirement may benefit international publication under the Berne convention.]

I.e., it is beneficial to register your copyrighted material in order to preserve all of your rights - including the right to sue for statutory damages and attorney's fees! § 411 et. seq., and §501 et. seq. Statutory damages range from $200 - $30,000 based on the egregiousness of the infringement (§504(c)). An infringement action may cost in excess of $10,000, so getting attorney's fees is a HUGE plus! (If your case gets really big, it is possible to spend over $250,000 a month...)​

There is a 3 year statute of limitations (§ 507). But you may have a 'rolling' deadline based on continuing infringement.

The duration of a copyright is generally life of the author plus 70 years (but may vary based on the date of fixation/publication) See § 301 et seq.

Just some info to keep in mind... ;)

-td

What is a 3 year statute of limitation, and a "rolling" deadline?

If you do not want to discuss it, I can understand. Thank you very much for the valuable info you have so kindly provided.

Richard
 
A statute of limitations is a time limit in place to prevent someone from bringing an action after too long has passed (and memories have faded, evidence is lost, etc)

A 3 year statute of limitations for copyright infringement means that you have to bring an action for infringement within 3 years of the infringing activity. A "rolling" deadline typically deals with ongoing infringement that began more than 3 years ago, or an infringment that began more than 3 years ago and ended less than 3 years ago, i.e., there was some infringement within the last 3 years. For example, if someone copied your book 4 years ago, and made copies for 2 years, you could most likely still sue for 1 year of damages. [Otherwise you would be barred from suing since the infringing activity started 4 years ago]. Or, as another example, if someone copied your picture for the last 10 years, you could most likely sue for the last 3 years, but not years 4-10.

Again, you should always retain independent counsel for your legal matters. (gotta say that ;)




nipponbilliards said:
What is a 3 year statute of limitation, and a "rolling" deadline?

If you do not want to discuss it, I can understand. Thank you very much for the valuable info you have so kindly provided.

Richard
 
td873 said:
A statute of limitations is a time limit in place to prevent someone from bringing an action after too long has passed (and memories have faded, evidence is lost, etc)

A 3 year statute of limitations for copyright infringement means that you have to bring an action for infringement within 3 years of the infringing activity. A "rolling" deadline typically deals with ongoing infringement that began more than 3 years ago, or an infringment that began more than 3 years ago and ended less than 3 years ago, i.e., there was some infringement within the last 3 years. For example, if someone copied your book 4 years ago, and made copies for 2 years, you could most likely still sue for 1 year of damages. [Otherwise you would be barred from suing since the infringing activity started 4 years ago]. Or, as another example, if someone copied your picture for the last 10 years, you could most likely sue for the last 3 years, but not years 4-10.

Again, you should always retain independent counsel for your legal matters. (gotta say that ;)

Thomas,

Thank you very much.

By the way, why is there a J&J on the list of cues you own? Is that a jump/break?

Regards,
Richard
 
nipponbilliards said:
Thomas,

Thank you very much.

By the way, why is there a J&J on the list of cues you own? Is that a jump/break?

Regards,
Richard[/QUOTEmknlknlknlk'nl'knlkn
 

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Yeah, the J&J is a jump/break. I got it on eBay as a travel cue so I didn't have to check my other cues when I fly. As it turns out, it's not a bad cue for $52.00 (that included shipping). I recommend them if you want to have a back-up that is reasonably priced.


nipponbilliards said:
Thomas,

Thank you very much.

By the way, why is there a J&J on the list of cues you own? Is that a jump/break?

Regards,
Richard
 
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