Nylon inserts {Huebler}
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Sure, there is tons of nylon around to make the ferrules but that is what you have to do, make them. Huebler will not sell any parts and I know of no one who makes them for resale. I never liked the design much anyway. They are to easily cross threaded in my opinion.
Dick
I never liked the material, it is far to soft in my opinion and it will cross thread very easily. Linen Phenolic material like that used for Jump Break Ferrules is much stronger, it doesn't cross thread easily and it holds it's threads very very well.
Try it you will like it!!!
Ive had the Tiger X phenolic insert put in on a radial shaft i had. And i use Tiger X shafts. Really like it. But was wondering about the nylon inserts because i have old huebler and i thought about having a shaft made for it but wanted it to be close to original looking as possible.
I have never worked with Nylon, but as long as your adhesive will bond with it should just work fine and it shouldn't cost much money either.
18 TPI and nylon=Bad Idea.
One problem that I see with the nylon is the fact most people tighten and re-tighten the shaft as they play. Nylon isn't able to withstand that constant force and the re-applying of force, and therefore eventually, and prematurely, will either strip out or cross thread. I've had a few repairs that were stripped, and either just put a brass insert in, or a phenolic plug, and had no complaints(so far:smile.
Dave
.Dave
That's all Huebler did!
Tap, Tap, Tap.
ANY use of nylon in a cue is a bad idea. No offense to Huebler but the nylon insert was not your brightest shining moment.
Just a quick question, and this is more of a rhetorical actually because I don't really need an answer. It's purpose is to make you think.
If a nylon insert is such a slick idea, why haven't more CMs picked-up on it???
To me, this makes about as much sense as nylon lug nuts on your car with the logic being that it will give you a softer ride.
I replaced the nylon insert on an older Heubler sneaky of mine. Replaced it with a brass insert and didn't really notice a big change in the hit.
I had Ryan at Rat Cues make a shaft for an old Huebler. Ivory ferrule and a nylon insert; it plays nicely. It got me shooting with my old no-name Huebler again, it plays as well now as it did 25 plus years ago.
I believe most of the problems that one might have with the inserts can be avoided if you pay a little attention when screwing them together.
Bill
Thanks Maxx,
I should have known, Ryan has everything. Ryan is a great person, wish i had just a fraction of his knowledge and experience. I have a custom shop and never had any problems with cross threading. But i have seen some characters that it may be a problem.
I should have known, Ryan has everything. Ryan is a great person, wish i had just a fraction of his knowledge and experience. I have a custom shop and never had any problems with cross threading. But i have seen some characters that it may be a problem.
I have worked with nylon for inserts without problems, I like hit but the problem for me is that nylon and glues arent good friends so I prefer others materials.
You can contact with Ryan, I am sure that he can do a good job.
Thanks Maxx,
I should have known, Ryan has everything. Ryan is a great person, wish i had just a fraction of his knowledge and experience. I have a custom shop and never had any problems with cross threading. But i have seen some characters that it may be a problem.
First, you don't want what's going on in my head.
Second, I do have a few of Hueblers nylon inserts left. They are straight from Paul himself. I have never had an issue with the glue bond, like others have stated. People try to use regular epoxies and they don't work. The insert is threaded on the outside with 7/16-20. That helps with the bond but I use a 24 hour epoxy that sticks to just about anything. Cross-threading is not the fault of the insert....
First, you don't want what's going on in my head.
Cross-threading is not the fault of the insert....
You are absolutely correct in stating that it is operator error when threads are crossed, but, I feel, the material used for inserts should be a little more user friendly. Just how often is a brass or stainless insert crossed? I've had to chase to many of those inserts through cross threading and often it is hard to get the tap started in the correct thread to chase. The material is so soft that often the owner gets the threads just slightly crossed before he feels the fit is wrong but to often that is to late.
Likewise, a phenolic or other extremely hard tip only miscues through operator error (no chalk, to much english) but to help in this area people use not quite as hard of a tip on their playing cue. The softer tip is more user friendly. Shouldn't the insert be user friendly also? usually you need to design and build things stronger and more dummy proof to survive out in the real world. If the cue was going to just sit in a collection and never be put together, probably no insert would be needed what-so-ever even with a 5/16X18 pin.
Dick
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