OB-1 Shaft Owners
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AZB really needs to give you OB-1 owners your own room so you can all sit in a circle with your ugly shafts and sing Koombayah.
....and another for you Predator worshippers.Jude Rosenstock said:
Shawn Armstrong said:
YES!!! This is a great idea!!! We can have a whole room devoted to threads about shafts that get more spin and less deflection and the pros that use them!!!
We could call it "The Cue Gallery"!!! What do you think?
....but, would tip choice appear in that group, or would there be a subgroup for optimizing the spin of your aftermarket shaft?Jude Rosenstock said:
How about a jump cue subgroup, and a break cue subgroup, and then there could be one group for the other players - guys that use their playing cue (non-aftermarket shaft) to play and break with, and don't carry a jump cue. I'd be in that group singing "Koombayah".
Shawn Armstrong said:
so long as you don't use extenders to toast your marshmallows.
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I'd use an OB-1..............more even toasting due to increased radial consistency.Jude Rosenstock said:
Shawn Armstrong said:
Really? More than the z-shaft or 314(2)? I mean, how long were you toasting marshmallows with your 314-original because that might have something to do with it.
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Jude Rosenstock said:
Look, I normally don't respond to posts like yours, but weren't you the guy who was recently whining incessantly about people making non-"serious"-pool posts?
Now, some people talk about pool related stuff and you step in to criticize their posts?
I've noticed several posts from you that don't seem to be worth viewing from a pool standpoint but haven't mentioned them to you or anyone else.
What's up with you Jude? Are you having any health issues?
You are losing my respect.
JoeyA
JoeyA said:Look, I normally don't respond to posts like yours, but weren't you the guy who was recently whining incessantly about people making non-"serious"-pool posts?
Now, some people talk about pool related stuff and you step in to criticize their posts?
I've noticed several posts from you that don't seem to be worth viewing from a pool standpoint but haven't mentioned them to you or anyone else.
What's up with you Jude? Are you having any health issues?
You are losing my respect.
JoeyA
I am perfectly healthy. I am enjoying myself as is the case with everyone else here. Call it a new found perspective. Happy Birthday, btw. If it isn't your birthday then happy birthday to whomever out there is close!
JoeyA said:Good.
You sound like you have a new lease on life. You could go places.
JoeyA
Wow, I wouldn't take it that far.
JoeyA,
I bought an OB-1 shaft the other day, screwed it onto my Szamboti and hit about 30 minutes with it. My experience with the shaft is that it has alot less deflection than the shafts I normally use and especially on inside english stroke shots, this shaft might be a better choice. I say might because it did seem to allow alot of english but I missed nearly every shot I tried. Now I know there is an adjustment period, but it got me thinking...is it worth it to want to change shafts? You and I have played alot of hours of pool, you are a bit older than me so I will give you a few thousand hours or so additional time on the tables as well. With all the time you have spent shooting balls and having your brain learn how to hit shots to make them, be it with no english, lots of english, etc, is it worth it to change the shaft? Does all the time you spent programming your brain on the right way to hit things get tossed?
I thought about it and I began to wonder if I was in a pressure situation...would I really want to start wondering again...hey how do i hit this ball again? I just feel like I am tossing aside alot of time spent learning just how to hit a shot, all loaded up with english or whatever...and it makes me question whether its the right decision. Don't get me wrong, if a person was learning to play pool I would recommend these low deflection shafts over the other shafts but it makes me wonder if you have already hit a few thousand hours of pool...is it worth it to change.
I know Schmidt seems to be playing good with his, so maybe the learning curve I am thinking of is not so bad. I know at least in terms of nineball, you and I might play somewhat close, so I am really interested in seeing what your take on this issue is.
I bought an OB-1 shaft the other day, screwed it onto my Szamboti and hit about 30 minutes with it. My experience with the shaft is that it has alot less deflection than the shafts I normally use and especially on inside english stroke shots, this shaft might be a better choice. I say might because it did seem to allow alot of english but I missed nearly every shot I tried. Now I know there is an adjustment period, but it got me thinking...is it worth it to want to change shafts? You and I have played alot of hours of pool, you are a bit older than me so I will give you a few thousand hours or so additional time on the tables as well. With all the time you have spent shooting balls and having your brain learn how to hit shots to make them, be it with no english, lots of english, etc, is it worth it to change the shaft? Does all the time you spent programming your brain on the right way to hit things get tossed?
I thought about it and I began to wonder if I was in a pressure situation...would I really want to start wondering again...hey how do i hit this ball again? I just feel like I am tossing aside alot of time spent learning just how to hit a shot, all loaded up with english or whatever...and it makes me question whether its the right decision. Don't get me wrong, if a person was learning to play pool I would recommend these low deflection shafts over the other shafts but it makes me wonder if you have already hit a few thousand hours of pool...is it worth it to change.
I know Schmidt seems to be playing good with his, so maybe the learning curve I am thinking of is not so bad. I know at least in terms of nineball, you and I might play somewhat close, so I am really interested in seeing what your take on this issue is.
uwate said:
David,
The OB-1 shaft is a good shaft for anyone willing to invest time in learning how to play with it. I struggled playing with it for 3 months and while I played some pretty good one pocket with it (generally you don't have to move the cue ball long distances) I occasionally had trouble hitting power shots with it using side English. The cue ball would swerve more than I expected depending upon how much juice I put on the cue ball. I could have been jacked up a bit more and that could have caused the additional swerve which caused me to miss the contact point to pocket the object ball. It didn't happen all of the time, just some of the time but it was always on side English shots, low left or low right to be specific.
Yes, I could be a couple of years older than you and I have probably played more pool than you at least in the past 10 years. I have gone back to the Bender traditional maple shafts but have retapered them to fit my playing style. It was almost impossible to make shots using low left and low right with the original Bender shafts. I think I got used to playing with thinner shafts because of all the sanding that I did on my old Bender cue which I think caused the cue ball to deflect less. Anyhow, I played a lot better with my old Bender than I did my new Bender and he built it the same way as the old one so I started taking the old shaft down 1/10th of a millimeter at a time. Each time I took it down I could tell I was playing better. After removing almost .75 millimeters I have stopped and am learning to play with it again.
I believe I could learn how to play jut as well with the OB-1 but I have a more immediate need so for now I have abandoned the ship.
JoeyA
Someone has abandoned their OB-1 shaft? The mind control drugs must be wearing off. Quick, start the chanting again, I'll go get the strobe light.
(Just playing with you, Joey)
(Just playing with you, Joey)
JoeyA said:David,
The OB-1 shaft is a good shaft for anyone willing to invest time in learning how to play with it. I struggled playing with it for 3 months and while I played some pretty good one pocket with it (generally you don't have to move the cue ball long distances) I occasionally had trouble hitting power shots with it using side English. The cue ball would swerve more than I expected depending upon how much juice I put on the cue ball. I could have been jacked up a bit more and that could have caused the additional swerve which caused me to miss the contact point to pocket the object ball. It didn't happen all of the time, just some of the time but it was always on side English shots, low left or low right to be specific.
Yes, I could be a couple of years older than you and I have probably played more pool than you at least in the past 10 years. I have gone back to the Bender traditional maple shafts but have retapered them to fit my playing style. It was almost impossible to make shots using low left and low right with the original Bender shafts. I think I got used to playing with thinner shafts because of all the sanding that I did on my old Bender cue which I think caused the cue ball to deflect less. Anyhow, I played a lot better with my old Bender than I did my new Bender and he built it the same way as the old one so I started taking the old shaft down 1/10th of a millimeter at a time. Each time I took it down I could tell I was playing better. After removing almost .75 millimeters I have stopped and am learning to play with it again.
I believe I could learn how to play jut as well with the OB-1 but I have a more immediate need so for now I have abandoned the ship.
JoeyA
One of the things I have noticed with the OB-1 as opposed to other regular shafts I have is, first of all, it is not as powerful as the others. I use the same tips on all my shafts, a milk dud. The result is that for a particular power of stroke, the cue ball shot with the OB1 moves more slowly forward, although the actual quantity of spin may be the same, which, it seems to me results in more swerve.
Shooting a table length, extreme left english but centered on the horizontal axis shot, straight down table from the spot to the center diamond, I found that with the same strength of stroke that the cue ball would rebound with the traditional shaft and scratch in the side pocket, i.e., the fourth diamond, but with the OB-1 it would hit the 3rd diamond.
I found this to be curious, and so I intentionally shot the cue ball with the traditional shaft with a much weaker stroke, and low and behold, found that the cue ball rebounded to the 3rd diamond and didn't scratch in the side pocket.
I think the adjustment you're referring to very likely has to do with the power of stroke that is being used for a particular shot, and until that power is internalized in your brain and muscle memory, problems on certain shots may be more apparent when switching to the OB-1 from a regular shaft.
Flex
It could be due to the fact that the shaft is roughly 15% glue.