OB cues shut down?

[hang-the-9]

and not one of those league players are even a ball better with their LD shafts.

Not likely to be the case, if you need to compensate for spin with one shaft, and don't with the other, pretty logical that you can shoot better without trying to compensate if that is how you learned. One side you need to learn how to aim at different speeds and distances and spin amounts, other side is way less effort to get to the same point. The only drawback to playing with LD shafts is that it's much harder to adjust to just any old cue and still play at the same level, and a few shots that require deflection to work well are harder to execute. The benefits are a lot greater, especially for new players. The group of people that feel LD shafts are a waste are those that played for years with normal shafts and just can't adjust or those that don't understand that every person aims and learns to play differently. What does not work for one can easily work for someone else.

 

[buckshotshoey]

It's like when I used to golf and guys would show off their new $500 driver and not hit it even 200 yards,but they felt good.

True. I agree.

This is not necessary towards you, But if someone were a golf club salesman (or an advertiser), a different tune would be playing. Seriously... would they be selling that $500 dollar driver, or would they tell them they should be buying the $75 one because it would be just as good for them?

If it's the latter, they won't be a golf club salesman or in advertising for long.

It's up to the consumer to do their homework. It's not my job to do it for them. In this day and age of information technology, it's easier then ever.

 

[FunChamp]

Not likely to be the case, if you need to compensate for spin with one shaft, and don't with the other, pretty logical that you can shoot better without trying to compensate if that is how you learned. One side you need to learn how to aim at different speeds and distances and spin amounts, other side is way less effort to get to the same point. The only drawback to playing with LD shafts is that it's much harder to adjust to just any old cue and still play at the same level, and a few shots that require deflection to work well are harder to execute. The benefits are a lot greater, especially for new players. The group of people that feel LD shafts are a waste are those that played for years with normal shafts and just can't adjust or those that don't understand that every person aims and learns to play differently. What does not work for one can easily work for someone else.

I have played with them all. Yes they do what are meant to do. But it does not matter. It does not make anything easier. You still have to adjust your aim when using english. You still have to strike the cue ball accurately, you still have to know where to aim to make the OB. It makes no difference. The most extreme deflection is max english at high speed over long distance. Those shots don't come up much and they are just as tough no matter what you have in your hand. The common shots the amount of compensation difference is negligible. They make nothing easier because regardless you have to learn that shaft or cue. If you actually looked at the difference of where you are aiming it is very minute.
I played 10 years with maple. Then played 17 years with LD. namely Predator. I played better with maple. Not because I couldn't adjust but because back then I played 40 hours a week instead of 10 hours a week. Predator pulled off the single greatest marketing campaign in the history of recreational activities. Entire generations sold into this idea that it makes the game easier. it doesn't. They are overpriced and overhyped.
Players back in the day shot with TPA's in the same range as folks today. If you want to use the stuff, great, have at it. They are fine cues and shafts. But to say they make anything easier is a farce.

 

[buckshotshoey]

I have played with them all. Yes they do what are meant to do. But it does not matter. It does not make anything easier. You still have to adjust your aim when using english. You still have to strike the cue ball accurately, you still have to know where to aim to make the OB. It makes no difference. The most extreme deflection is max english at high speed over long distance. Those shots don't come up much and they are just as tough no matter what you have in your hand. The common shots the amount of compensation difference is negligible. They make nothing easier because regardless you have to learn that shaft or cue. If you actually looked at the difference of where you are aiming it is very minute.
I played 10 years with maple. Then played 17 years with LD. namely Predator. I played better with maple. Not because I couldn't adjust but because back then I played 40 hours a week instead of 10 hours a week. Predator pulled off the single greatest marketing campaign in the history of recreational activities. Entire generations sold into this idea that it makes the game easier. it doesn't. They are overpriced and overhyped.
Players back in the day shot with TPA's in the same range as folks today. If you want to use the stuff, great, have at it. They are fine cues and shafts. But to say they make anything easier is a farce.

All opinion. I'll give another opinion that others may or may not agree with... I find it easier (for some reason) to draw the cue ball with a low deflection shaft then a solid maple. I have no idea why. And that's with shaft diameters that are very close.

 

[straightline]

All opinion. I'll give another opinion that others may or may not agree with... I find it easier (for some reason) to draw the cue ball with a low deflection shaft then a solid maple. I have no idea why. And that's with shaft diameters that are very close.

Could be the taper; the extra stiffness with long tapers.

 

[FunChamp]

All opinion. I'll give another opinion that others may or may not agree with... I find it easier (for some reason) to draw the cue ball with a low deflection shaft then a solid maple. I have no idea why. And that's with shaft diameters that are very close.

about a month ago I got an itch. I bought a revo 12.4. I could execute extreme draw shots equally with the revo as well as my standard maple. Draw shots where the CB and the OB were very far apart. I could execute all shots I set up the same with both shafts. If it gives you a mental edge and helps you, great. roll with it. But as far as the difference in compensation, that's not my opinion. it's just fact.

 

[buckshotshoey]

about a month ago I got an itch. I bought a revo 12.4. I could execute extreme draw shots equally with the revo as well as my standard maple. Draw shots where the CB and the OB were very far apart. I could execute all shots I set up the same with both shafts. If it gives you a mental edge and helps you, great. roll with it. But as far as the difference in compensation, that's not my opinion. it's just fact.

Just because you have a strong opinion, does not make it fact for everyone. Everyone's game is different. Not having to compensate as much can be an advantage. It's like using similar rifle calibers. All being the same, the bullet with the flatter trajectory is preferable. Even if you can learn to compensate for a wider arc, the one with the smaller point blank range is easier for even the experienced.

 

[FunChamp]

Just because you have a strong opinion, does not make it fact for everyone. Everyone's game is different. Not having to compensate as much can be an advantage. It's like using similar rifle calibers. All being the same, the bullet with the flatter trajectory is preferable. Even if you can learn to compensate for a wider arc, the one with the smaller point blank range is easier for even the experienced.

What is fact is the amount of compensation required in aiming from shaft to shaft. It's the same for everyone. Pick one and stick with it. What I am saying is that you have to learn where to aim and how the balls react regardless of what you play with. There is no "one is easier than the other". Because you have to compensate anyways.

 

[Jimmorrison]

I gotta call BS, on all this. I can’t draw it back, with any shaft, unless I don’t want to. Then, it sucks back five feet!

 

[Grilled Cheese]

There are a ton of players in leagues and local tournaments that use LD shafts, I would say the majority of them now. I was just in a tournament and fully half were using CF shafts, out of like 20 players. And most of the remainders were using some sort of LD maple shaft. Even the lower level players are getting LD shafts since it helps with making adjustment for spin. Even the cheaper cues all advertise some sort of LD properties, even though many of them are just barely better at it than a house cue.

That's interesting. I browsed a local APA league recently and noted most people around here were not using an LD shaft. When you mention the cheaper cues, I personally don't count those as LD because they claim to have LD properties, most of them really don't. I'm thinking more premium, actual LD shafts, like those made by Predator, Cuetec, OB etc...

 

[Dunnn51]

WOW, Sad news!
I currently own 3 OB shafts. I like them all.
OB1,OB2, and a Rez, Revo or something like that.
The REZ 8 was a replacement for my OB PRO which literally warped overnight about 18 months ago. I took it to SBE last April and they gave me the REZ 8 as a replacement. /itsa 12.65 shaft and hits soft to me. I like it for 8-ball on the bar tables.
She (Amy?) at SBE booth claimed to have a lot of warpage probs with the PRO shaft. While waiting I tried the CF shaft that OB offered.
Seems to me that OB had been squeezed of an already tight market by Predator and Cuetec. I was not too impressed as I went missing table length cutshots on the DEMO table. (my excuse: strange table, new cue, and Allison Fisher on my right hip watching --- talk about nervous!)
At any rate- over $400.00 for the CF was out of the question.

 

[SnakePool]

I msg'd M. Griffin on FB. He replied so i asked about what's up at OB. Cricketssssssssssssssssssss No reply. When the major investor ghosts you it ain't good. Hell, somebody probably coulda' got Meucci/OB in a bargain two-fer.

Most likely it's because he has terminal brain cancer and I believe he is in hospice. I have heard bankruptcy has been filed. Which makes sense since he doesn't want Ob Cues' debt collected from his estate.

 

[skiergd011013]

Most likely it's because he has terminal brain cancer and I believe he is in hospice. I have heard bankruptcy has been filed. Which makes sense since he doesn't want Ob Cues' debt collected from his estate.

ya. That must be whats going on. Very sad.

 

[7stud]

Most likely it's because he has terminal brain cancer and I believe he is in hospice. I have heard bankruptcy has been filed. Which makes sense since he doesn't want Ob Cues' debt collected from his estate.

Story on the front page of azbilliards.

 

[SnakePool]

Story on the front page of azbilliards.

I knew over a week ago...

 

[hang-the-9]

That's interesting. I browsed a local APA league recently and noted most people around here were not using an LD shaft. When you mention the cheaper cues, I personally don't count those as LD because they claim to have LD properties, most of them really don't. I'm thinking more premium, actual LD shafts, like those made by Predator, Cuetec, OB etc...

Yes those cheap cues don't really do much but the players that buy them are looking for lower deflection as a selling point, even if they are not really good enough to understand it all.

 

[BigBoof]

Thanks, I just ordered one. Now I'm hoping I can track down a few of the inserts, the ones I want are listed as back order on OB's site.

I noticed on my friend’s OB carbon shaft that the insert says whyte on it so I bet you can get one from them.


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[hang-the-9]

I noticed on my friend’s OB carbon shaft that the insert says whyte on it so I bet you can get one from them.


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On the OB website they had the same thing listed, and that company does have them in stock. Bit pricy at about $75 but cheaper than a new shaft if you want to try it on another cue.

 

[Sheldon]

What is fact is the amount of compensation required in aiming from shaft to shaft. It's the same for everyone. Pick one and stick with it. What I am saying is that you have to learn where to aim and how the balls react regardless of what you play with. There is no "one is easier than the other". Because you have to compensate anyways.

If one requires less adjustment and another requires more, it could be argued that the one requiring less is "easier".

 

[fastone371]

and not one of those league players are even a ball better with their LD shafts.

I would liker to know how I can recognize when I become "a ball better" at pool?? If my high 14.1 run is 28 does that mean I will be at a high run of 29? Or maybe when I am a ball better I can run a rack of 10 ball instead of 9 ball??