OB-1+ picture was posted to our Facebook earlier today: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...96321538.85440.299343843410560&type=1&theater
OB Plus Shafts...
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OB-1+ picture was posted to our Facebook earlier today: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...96321538.85440.299343843410560&type=1&theater
I remember a picture on your facebook. The picture of the trailer loaded with logs. I assume you acquired some really good ones? Im guessing that's the answer. Kudos to the person in your company that acquired them.
Not sure if I have ever quoted myself before lol but I made an error I wanted to correct.
The OB Classic+ and OB Pro+ ferrules are longer as was previously pointed out. They were/are 1/4" on our original OB shafts and the new plus shaft versions will be 3/8" on these two shafts.
Sorry for the confusion. It's been one of those days!
off the top of my head, the now defunct Platnumn Billiards used to post some great data, I purchased stuff from them for that very reason, another current online retailer attempts to post rough data too
also I believe Meucci does also to an extent to this day
I've seen Predator blurbs here and there over the years as well
also I believe Meucci does also to an extent to this day
I've seen Predator blurbs here and there over the years as well
I'll delve into one of these shafts soon enough, OB seems to be the right kind of company
right now I think the Mezz WX900 is top dog for extra spin and lowest deflection
right now I think the Mezz WX900 is top dog for extra spin and lowest deflection
Funnily enough, I actually was the owner of Platinum Billiards so I still have all of that data (although the shafts that were tested were from 2004 to 2008 so none of that data would be current anymore as you have to be fair to manufacturers and only compare products that are current). Glad that we had you as a Platinum Customer!
I am aware of Meucci and their test methodology.
I am not sure if Predator has ever specifically published any data along the lines of what you have suggested (nor have we for that matter)....yet.
Thanks for the feedback, let me know if any other companies results come to mind, I am always curious about what the other guys are doing
Appreciate the kind words, we try very hard to be the right kind of company and feel like we are doing a pretty decent job at it.
Mezz is also a great company and make great products. They are also a good customer of ours and buy our shafts to offer them as an option on their cues.
Shane,
Curious...I noticed that on more recent OB shafts, on the flat faced joint types like 3/8-10, that the thickness of the joint collar had increased. I asked you about it and honestly I forget your reply...I think you may have said it was something to do with durability.
It appears on the new Plus shafts that the collar has again become thicker. It seems now that there is no longer any wood exposed at all in the joint. I can't imagine phenolic would need to be so thick for durability, so perhaps there is some other reason for this? I'm curious because I tend to prefer the concept of as much wood to wood contact in the joint of my cue. Can I tell the difference? I don't know lol...maybe. I know in my previous 314-2 shafts, the off the shelf one with the full phenolic collar does not feel as good as the one Andy Gilbert installed the joint in, which has significant wood exposure. I suppose I would say the Gilbert one feels..."brighter"? more "pingy"? Tough to put into words.
Anyway, curious about this. And extreely eager to get a Classic Pro Plus!!
KMRUNOUT
Curious...I noticed that on more recent OB shafts, on the flat faced joint types like 3/8-10, that the thickness of the joint collar had increased. I asked you about it and honestly I forget your reply...I think you may have said it was something to do with durability.
It appears on the new Plus shafts that the collar has again become thicker. It seems now that there is no longer any wood exposed at all in the joint. I can't imagine phenolic would need to be so thick for durability, so perhaps there is some other reason for this? I'm curious because I tend to prefer the concept of as much wood to wood contact in the joint of my cue. Can I tell the difference? I don't know lol...maybe. I know in my previous 314-2 shafts, the off the shelf one with the full phenolic collar does not feel as good as the one Andy Gilbert installed the joint in, which has significant wood exposure. I suppose I would say the Gilbert one feels..."brighter"? more "pingy"? Tough to put into words.
Anyway, curious about this. And extreely eager to get a Classic Pro Plus!!
KMRUNOUT
But but, predator has pictures!! That MUST be evidence! RIGHT!!?!?!
Seriously though, cannot wait to get my hands on one of these new shafts.
RBC
Deceased
That's really cool that you've noticed the slight changes in our joint collars. I think I can shed some light on this you.
The first is the diameter of the ring as it appears on the face of the joint. It is true that quite a while back we did change the internals on our joint collars. The primary reason for the change was the move from straight tenon and glue to threaded and glued joint collars. Obviously, the threaded and glued construction is not only more durable, but also stronger and more solid. We've always been able to cut threads and such, but to cut them in the quantities we need required some pretty specific equipment. When we were able to find the right machines, we put them to good use.
As to the joint collars on the new + shafts, they aren't any different than what our current production has been. We did slightly increase the overall joint height of our black collar with silver ring shafts last year. The reason was to more closely match the black collar with silver ring cues that are out there. Our previous joints were a little too short.
I hope that answers your questions. If not, chime in and I'll help all I can.
Thanks!
Royce Bunnell
Shane,
Is there any chance OB will make a 31 or 32 inch shaft?
I already have an OB Pro at 30 inch, but have been looking
for a longer LD shaft, for a 62 inch cue.
Is there any chance OB will make a 31 or 32 inch shaft?
I already have an OB Pro at 30 inch, but have been looking
for a longer LD shaft, for a 62 inch cue.
holy irony owning Platnum, lol
LOVED!!!!!!!!!!!!.................... the free shipping to Canada
LOVED!!!!!!!!!!!!.................... the free shipping to Canada
This is close to being the biggest bs I've read on AZ.
I for one, and I know I'm not the only one, can't stand those shafts.
Of the two I much prefer the 314's BUT prefer a well made traditional shaft above any of the LD's.
Royce,
Thanks for your reply. I just want everyone to know that you have been a great guy to deal with over the years. The first time I ever spoke to you was maybe a year after OB got started. You must have talked to me for almost an hour about wood!! You clearly have a passion for your business!
So...what I was really asking about is not the height of the collar but the thickness. First off, I definitely think *threading* the collar on is the way to go. Much better mechanical connection. I'm talking about this: say you are looking at the face of the joint. You would see a black phenolic circle about 0.840" in diameter. Inside this circle would be a smaller circle of wood, and inside that would be the hole the pin goes in. What I noticed is that a little while back, the ratio of collar to wood increased. I suppose if you are threading them, you need a bit of meat there to work with. However, on the new Plus shafts, it seems this has increased even more, to the point that the entire face of the joint appears to be phenolic.
I'm sure this is physically stronger. A part of me thinks it is best, however, to have as much wood to wood contact in the joint. I don't honestly have a scientific reason for this except my experience I related in my previous post. Given my experience so far, I'm sure there is a good reason for it. Just curious...my perception is that there are basically 3 steps to this change: original OB shafts, later model original shafts, and now the plus shafts. It seems from pictures like 3 different thicknesses. It sounds like you are telling me there are only 2. If this is the case, then perhaps the picture is just throwing me off a bit. In any case, I would strongly prefer a threaded collar!!
Thanks again for the info and any further clarification you can provide. I am dying to get one of the new Pro Pluses ASAP!!!
KMRUNOUT
(Kerry McAuliffe...so you know who you are talking to!)
I cant wait for these to come out. liked the OG, but something about the laminate lines on the origanal messed with my head, so i gave it up and went with mezz. hopefully, with the solid maple 6 piece construction, itll still look like a solid maple shaft (with less lines of course, im assuming the way its made is still going to be like the logo) I think this new line is a winner
another little irony, if I'm not mistaken, the best deflection ratings on the Platnum site were awarded to Predator, lol
RBC
Deceased
Hey Kerry!
I didn't realize that was you. lol
Our first joints used a .625" tenon, so the OD of say a 3/8-10 shaft is .850" and the maple starts at the tenon, .625".
When we started to thread on all the collars, which was quite a while ago, we still used a .625" tenon. But, the threads are cut into that tenon, and have a smaller diameter at the base of the threads. Basically, we don't thread all the way to the end of the tenon. We keep the collar solid at the very end, but the inside diameter is basically the bottom of the threads. This is from memory, but I'm thinking it's .535". You're right that the total amount of wood showing is less, but it's really more about surface area, than just being wood.
As to the + shafts, they are exactly the same joint work as in our current production. Believe me, it's a ton of work to change them.
Hope to see you the next event. Maybe the BCAPL?
Royce