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I had a chance to play a few racks with a top player last night.

On one of his breaks this came up. He tried something a little too advanced and didn't get out..

What would be a good shot here for:

1, a world champion
2, a C player

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I like a 1 foot draw to get almost the same angle on the 2 as you get from a 9 ft. 2 rail shot. In either case, it would be a bear to get on the 3...so I would be VERY tempted to thin the 1 left of the side and hook the opponent behind the 4.

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Jim
 
I would overcut the one slightly, using draw, to roll the ball onto position, the top player Likely used high right, and went three rails for a bad shot on the 2, whitch isnt the wrong way, just harder to control

Russ, your shot is proboly perfect, but Id use center ball with a level stroke, and you get basicaly the same position without overcutting it...


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How I would go about it

This is how I would go about the run out. I would get to the 2 ball the same as Russ. With the 2 ball hanging in the hole, I would play rail first with low left, and then go from there. Playing rail first takes the 9 ball out of play, and if the pockets are tight and the 2 ball hangs, I have a chance of getting safe behind the 4/8. There are 5 pages to the table.

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Push out, pocket the one and drift the cueball to the end rail. Good chance both type of players will accept the shot, chances are good you will be getting back to the table with ball in hand.
Chuck
 
Bluesteel - I need the 5 out from you if you can run complicated racks like that on demand. edit: nevermind. You couldnt run a rack to save your life with the way you would 'attempt' to play the rest of your shape on the following cuetable pages you have listed. They're not even the right way to go about running a rack at all.

Personally I like holding the cueball on the 1 with inside english and following with top inside on the 2 and coming down for the 3 with a tough cut.
 
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Bluesteel,

Keep in mind with the speed you have to hit the 2 with top inside english, you are going to "bend" around the 9, and there's almost no chance of hitting the 9 unless you let off your stroke. Just make sure you "pop" this stroke, with about a tip and a half of follow and inside spin.

Going rail first on the 2, I'd be concerned that, if I jawed the ball, the cue ball will draw back into the 5 (from hitting the 2 too thick off the rail), or that, even if I hit the 2 good, that I would overspin the CB off the rail and come in deeper to the corner and get hooked behind the 6.

I think for the most part, these diagrams assume one is playing on tight equipment. If you do jaw this 2, you are probably not going to reach CB position A. Even if you do, you are leaving an easy jump shot on the 2. There's just a lot of things that can go wrong with an off the rail shot on the 2.

I think best is to make the 2 ball straight, and take what yoiu can get on the 3.

Another thing to consider is that you can get to position A without playing the two off the rail, while stil avoiding the 9. Shoot a smooth, firm stroke with half a tip of draw and inside english. When contacting the second rail, the CB will follow pretty much the same path as your diagrammed shot, with little chance of missing the 2. :D

Russ
 
RiverCity - I'm sorry but I think anyone on the planet is giving you that shot back and they will probably be the ones with ball in hand.

CueTable - what did the champ do? Load it up with inside and go short-rail - long rail?
 
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RiverCity - I'm sorry but I think anyone on the planet is giving you that shot back and they will probably be the ones with ball in hand.

CueTable - what did the champ do? Load it up with inside and go short-rail - long rail?
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Most C players Ive ever seen arent smart enough to pass it back. They would try to masse or kick.
Lots of advanced players would still try to kick it in or even attempt a jump. Some really smart advanced players would return the favor by rolling the 6 against the 3 and give you ball in hand that way.
Its a chess style rack. I think looking for the runout here is suicidal. the Odds against it are too high.
Chuck
 
RiverCity,

You info says you are in Alaska.. Do you know a player named Tim Tweedel, with bright red hair? He's a WA state player who has spent some time hustling in Alaska for some reaosn over the years.

Russ
 
Not saying you're wrong, but the people down here don't play like that... A player or Z player, you're getting that shot back.
 
I wouldnt be looking for a run out for sure, A top player in this situation is going to let the C shoot, once all the trouble balls are in the open, Games over. So No Im not favoring a push..


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I like going two rails (long/short) from the 1 to the 2. Here's what I'd try to get on the three. Notice I almost repositioned the 4 into a better place, but hooked myself with it. D'oh! :D

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Russ Chewning said:
RiverCity,

You info says you are in Alaska.. Do you know a player named Tim Tweedel, with bright red hair? He's a WA state player who has spent some time hustling in Alaska for some reaosn over the years.

Russ
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The reason is fisherman money in bars........... it can be good if you are willing to push. But no, I dont know Tim.
Chuck
 
cuetable said:
I had a chance to play a few racks with a top player last night.

On one of his breaks this came up. He tried something a little too advanced and didn't get out..

What would be a good shot here for:

1, a world champion
2, a C player

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did anyone noticed that you have the angle immediately to move out the 3-Ball from the rail, and make it more playable? and the 2-Ball is fairly close to the rail, for a possible rail first shot.

just thought i might point this out. not sure if its worthwhile to consider or not. hope SJM, Blackjack or Jude Rosenstock chime in here, always value their opinions.

DCP
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
did anyone noticed that you have the angle immediately to move out the 3-Ball from the rail, and make it more playable? and the 2-Ball is fairly close to the rail, for a possible rail first shot.

just thought i might point this out. not sure if its worthwhile to consider or not. hope SJM, Blackjack or Jude Rosenstock chime in here, always value their opinions.

DCP
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That's what I would try. Draw into the 3. If you don't draw enough, you move the 6. If you draw too much, you miss everything and go 2 rails for perfect shape. Then you take what you can get on the 3. So the only real danger is getting hooked behind the 5, but it's an easy kick if you do.
 
Thanks Russ

First...Thanks Russ, I appreciate your comments. I can definitely see that as being another, and less risky way to get to the 3 ball. It would all depend for me on the actual angle I ended up with on the 2. As far as CUBC's comment, I never stated that I would get out from here every time, or I would not be working for a living :D (Even though I know first hand that playing any sport for a living is definitely a lot of work). I don't see any crazy 276 rail position shots in my diagrams. And no, this is not an easy out, but you don't win many games sitting in the chair, and with no balls tied up or pockets blocked, I would shoot and take my chances. The great thing about these types of post is that you can see someone elses thought process on how they would approach a situation. They are all hypothetical, due to the fact that just a small angle change will have a large impact on possibilities and control. I look forward to seeing some other thoughts on this rack, or any others in the future.

Hope everyone has a great holiday season!!

Mark
 
For the record - I hate this table. It's difficult enough getting on the 2-ball. It's nearly impossible to get on the 3 (and everybody is welcome to try the reverse-off-the-second-rail shot). Depending on how lively the rails are, I may try firing that 1-ball in and spinning around the table with an attempt to get straight on the 2-ball. I see that as my only way of running.

The bottom line is, I simply don't see anyone running out from here the majority of the time. This game is won on the 3-ball and it may take a couple innings to get there.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
For the record - I hate this table. It's difficult enough getting on the 2-ball. It's nearly impossible to get on the 3 (and everybody is welcome to try the reverse-off-the-second-rail shot). Depending on how lively the rails are, I may try firing that 1-ball in and spinning around the table with an attempt to get straight on the 2-ball. I see that as my only way of running.

The bottom line is, I simply don't see anyone running out from here the majority of the time. This game is won on the 3-ball and it may take a couple innings to get there.
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well put again Jude. i am beginning to appreciate your way of viewing and thinking regarding layouts. and i am learning from you and Blackjack.

keep up the good efforts men!

DCP
 
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