ok.. rule question

GordonRamsay

GordonRamsay

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This is a weird one...

While playing a game of 8 ball a person playing next to us jumped his cue ball over his own table and it landed on our table while my own cueball was in motion. It broke up a cluster of balls that I was shooting through and complete blocked my own shot. Keep in mind I had 4 of my own balls on the table and was in the process of running out.

What is the ruling? Re rack and start over? or I dunno?? This was kinda one of those fluke things. I was down 2 racks to 5 in a race to 7
 
GordonRamsay said:
This is a weird one...

While playing a game of 8 ball a person playing next to us jumped his cue ball over his own table and it landed on our table while my own cueball was in motion. It broke up a cluster of balls that I was shooting through and complete blocked my own shot. Keep in mind I had 4 of my own balls on the table and was in the process of running out.

What is the ruling? Re rack and start over? or I dunno?? This was kinda one of those fluke things. I was down 2 racks to 5 in a race to 7
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This one is tricky. If it is easy to replace the balls to their original position (and both players can agree) then by all means, do it. If not, then the best solution is to start the game over (yes re-rack) with the same player breaking.
 
GordonRamsay said:
This is a weird one...

While playing a game of 8 ball a person playing next to us jumped his cue ball over his own table and it landed on our table while my own cueball was in motion. It broke up a cluster of balls that I was shooting through and complete blocked my own shot. Keep in mind I had 4 of my own balls on the table and was in the process of running out.

What is the ruling? Re rack and start over? or I dunno?? This was kinda one of those fluke things. I was down 2 racks to 5 in a race to 7
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How far away was the table next to you?
 
jay helfert said:
This one is tricky. If it is easy to replace the balls to their original position (and both players can agree) then by all means, do it. If not, then the best solution is to start the game over (yes re-rack) with the same player breaking.
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Yep. Hopefully this isn't happening to you every day!
 
ronhudson said:
Is the rule variable based on distance?
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Just wondering because it seems that it seems to be a long way to jump a ball from one table to another and i was wondering if the guy had set a world jump record or not.....:thumbup:
 
Okay, all of these "rulings" are perfectly accurate but this is from a referee's perspective. Since you're the shooter, you need to handle this situation a little differently.

The referee (assuming he didn't witness the act and has no idea where the balls were) is going to be impartial. He's going to assume you did not have the advantage and that there was a 50/50 chance you would win the game. You can't let this happen.

If you have the advantage, YOU MUST request the balls be restored. At the very least, you have to attempt to restore the balls. If you maintain your advantage, you accept position and continue. If you don't THEN you say, "Geez, I guess we're not going to agree on the position of the balls. Let's play it over."


Don't just rerack and let your odds of winning go back to 50/50 unless it seems you have no choice.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Okay, all of these "rulings" are perfectly accurate but this is from a referee's perspective. Since you're the shooter, you need to handle this situation a little differently.

The referee (assuming he didn't witness the act and has no idea where the balls were) is going to be impartial. He's going to assume you did not have the advantage and that there was a 50/50 chance you would win the game. You can't let this happen.

If you have the advantage, YOU MUST request the balls be restored. At the very least, you have to attempt to restore the balls. If you maintain your advantage, you accept position and continue. If you don't THEN you say, "Geez, I guess we're not going to agree on the position of the balls. Let's play it over."


Don't just rerack and let your odds of winning go back to 50/50 unless it seems you have no choice.
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Very good points, since you are the shooter, you have to maintain any advantage you had while you were running out.
 
Sounds like some scrub messed up your game. Like Jude said, fight to get repositioned balls. And fight to get them where you thought they were, even a centimeter off is gonna change the way you need to play to finish the game.
 
LoGiC said:
Sounds like some scrub messed up your game. Like Jude said, fight to get repositioned balls. And fight to get them where you thought they were, even a centimeter off is gonna change the way you need to play to finish the game.
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Well no, you can't be nit-picky about it. You only want to be picky about balls that actually matter. You're going to be restoring MULTIPLE balls here and you don't want to appear argumentative. Choose your battles wisely.
 
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Jude Rosenstock said:
Well no, you can't be knit-picky about it. You only want to be picky about balls that actually matter. You're going to be restoring MULTIPLE balls here and you don't want to appear argumentative. Choose your battles wisely.
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That sounds like cheating! Pool players don't lie or cheat :rolleyes: :wink:
 
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tigerseye said:
Just wondering because it seems that it seems to be a long way to jump a ball from one table to another and i was wondering if the guy had set a world jump record or not.....:thumbup:
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you need to take up marithone racing, or take time to read a book!!!!:boring2: :boring2: :boring2: :boring2:
 
Good question......

GordonRamsay said:
This is a weird one...

While playing a game of 8 ball a person playing next to us jumped his cue ball over his own table and it landed on our table while my own cueball was in motion. It broke up a cluster of balls that I was shooting through and complete blocked my own shot. Keep in mind I had 4 of my own balls on the table and was in the process of running out.

What is the ruling? Re rack and start over? or I dunno?? This was kinda one of those fluke things. I was down 2 racks to 5 in a race to 7
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I beleive this would fall under the acts of God category or things out of our control. Same as a light fixture falling on the table, an earthquake or a drunk falling on the table disrupting the balls.
Since you already shot and this messed up balls you wanted to break up. I would assume the cue ball ended up somewhere you did not want it?
I see no other solution other than a rerack, it would be almost impossible to figure out where balls would have gone if you broke them out with your shot instead of the other ball busting them up.
Long story short, just rerack.
 
According To The BCAPL 2008 Rules

Here ya go, as a referee I would tell you the following .

1.48 Non-Player Interference
If balls are moved because of the action of a non-player or other influence beyond the control of the players, a referee will restore the balls as nearly as possible to their original positions and play continues. If the referee judges that the balls cannot be restored, the game will be replayed with the player who broke the game breaking again.

In the event there is no referee, the players will have to agree on placement (Which rarely happens)

PS....Jay was right
 
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ne14tennis said:
Here ya go, as a referee I would tell you the following .

1.48 Non-Player Interference
If balls are moved because of the action of a non-player or other influence beyond the control of the players, a referee will restore the balls as nearly as possible to their original positions and play continues. If the referee judges that the balls cannot be restored, the game will be replayed with the player who broke the game breaking again.

PS....Jay was right
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Of couse Jay is right but as the player, you don't want the referee to declare a rerack without an attempt to restore (assuming you would have run out had this not happened). Since the referee was likely not present when this occurred, restoration becomes the players' responsibility so you get your opponent up to the table and you see what can be done about getting the balls back in place. If, during restoration, you lose your advantage, simply say restoration is impossible and a rerack is automatic.
 
Of Course

Jude Rosenstock said:
Of couse Jay is right but as the player, you don't want the referee to declare a rerack without an attempt to restore (assuming you would have run out had this not happened). Since the referee was likely not present when this occurred, restoration becomes the players' responsibility so you get your opponent up to the table and you see what can be done about getting the balls back in place. If, during restoration, you lose your advantage, simply say restoration is impossible and a rerack is automatic.
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Quite right you are, and whenever there is a decision left to the players it is most often not resolved.

Each player tries get the better position and it leads to a re-rach cuz neither will agree
 
for clarification the the gentleman resposible was I on the table positioned like this. I figured he just miscued really bad and sent one flying.




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ne14tennis said:
Quite right you are, and whenever there is a decision left to the players it is most often not resolved.

Each player tries get the better position and it leads to a re-rach cuz neither will agree
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Well, depending on the situation, it may not matter. For example, if the sitting player had a blown run-out and has none of their group left and you're sitting pretty with 5 stripes on the table, it almost doesn't matter where your opponent chooses to restore position.

I mean, the bottom line is, you always rely on your opponent's honesty. I know there are some idiots out there that are always looking to pull a move but I'd say the vast majority try to keep things honest.
 
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