Ok, the craps

You are only playing with the house AFTER the comeout....thats the kicker

If you can escape the come out, you do have a 60% chance of winning and it is by FAR the best bet offered in any casino (IF you get past the come out). NEVER try to explain to craps players (ie, "Right side" players) the statistics behind this or prove it to them, they will not listen, and they will get verbally abusive.



watchez said:
Don't play craps, play Don't Pass. Grady says not to, I say do it & do it often. Why do you think on a craps table the pass line is so huge & the don't pass line is so small? Why do you think that casinos invented no crap craps with no don't pass line? Why is the don't pass line a bet you can pull back but the pass line is not? Because on the don't pass line you have the same advantage as the house. To keep it simple, let's say you are betting $100 on the don't pass. As long as the shooter doesn't throw a 7 or 11, then you are betting $100 that they will throw a 7 before they throw the point. What could be better than that? It is slow and boring but YOU WIN. You win whether it is day time or night time. Whether the table is hollering or quiet. Last year at Caesars I closed down 3 craps tables by betting the don't. If you are superstitious like Grady then this always works. If the shooter is taking a long time to throw a 7, just ask the stick man if he is a baseball fan. Then ask him what number Mickey Mantel was. SEVEN. In the next 2-3 throws, it will always come. Just don't abuse this superstition, use only when needed.

If the shooter has a point of 6 or 8, take your don't pass line bet down & bet the don't come. Get a different number with a higher chance to win.

Point Dink. Never heard of it. That is when the shooter throws a point and the very next throw is a 7. Happens ALL the time. Yell it out when it happens. Nothing sweeter when betting the don't when you don't have to sweat and just get paid.

Bet the don't, bet with the house, watch everyone go busted and go home WINNER. If you get your bankroll up, then bet the don't pass & then the don't come. That will increase your excitement.
 
don't pass

I have read in books before on how the "don't pass" bet is better than betting on the "pass" line.....I am not a craps player but I'd have a problem with betting on "don't pass" or "don't come" at a hot table where I'd be betting against everybody else that is screaming and yelling for the next pass....wouldn't be worth it to me to start or cause that kind of aggravation...
 
Shoulda made being drunk a proviso

watchez said:
So Freddy, you took Grady's comments about only playing craps @night, etc. as not being ridiculious but my comments you decided to rebute? You know what the problem is.....mine was written as a joke when I was drunk, Grady's were written as serious when he was sober. Gee though, thanks for your comments.

I did say, "are you kidding?" In truth I agree with about 95% of what Grady said about craps. I'm just as superstitious and paranoid as he is. When Circus Circus was the only joint in Vegas with double odds, I played there for a week. I dont think anybody made more than 4 passes the whole time. The only tables I ever see the dice get hot on, are FULL LOUD tables. If you could have ever experienced the electricity when Cornbread Red, Detroit Whitey, Jimmy Mataya or Johnny Ervolino was at a crap table you would understand what Grady and I are really talking about. When the electricity is there, the odds and percentages go right out the window. I have had the pleasure of being at a table that was closed before the hand was finished!

the Beard
 
I love the anecdotes so will add one about odds, luck, whatever.
As a child of 11 or 12 years of age, over 50 years ago, my one year younger brother and I were playing 5 card showdown for a penny per hand, alternate deal. We were playing on credit because neither of us had a penny. I lost 5 consecutive hands and my brother, being the good brother that he still is, offered that we should play double or nothing until I won and then we would be even. Very nice of him and that is what we did, except when I owed him millions of dollars after losing 30 consecutive hands of showdown (five cards face up to each player, thats all), we just cancelled the debt and quit. To this day, if he buys $20 worth of lottery tickets, he will win back about $10 and sometimes more consistently. If I buy $20 worth of tickets, I get a bill from the lottery people due to a billing error (joke). My bother sends me $50, about 4 times a year to purchase lottery tickets and I match the $50 and make the purchases. I often think, how can my brother be so foolish because he must remember the showdown debacle? He does remember and is trying to show that the luck should be on my side now, but it is not. I can pick a losing lottery ticket out a barrel full of winners. You just keep on grinnin.
 
DaveFagan said:
I can pick a losing lottery ticket out a barrel full of winners. You just keep on grinnin.

Well Dave today is just another unlucky day... You stumbled upon a crappy post, (pun intended) in a room filled with pool players and plenty of controversy.
Regards,
Hal
 
wahcheck said:
.....HOUSE RULES.....you got money, you're welcome to stay until we get it all...you got no money, you're outta here.......

After that, Cole decided to get even with all casinos. He has rather large hands and became a master manipulator of cards and chips. Notice I did not say cheat.

Cole proceeded to rob several casinos out of many thousands until he was finally put in the Black Book, where he remains to this day. He can still find action in Vegas, because of all the new joints, but in Reno he is strictly personna non grata.
 
Can you say "Archie the Greek"

jcrack_corn said:
First, I would NEVER even think to question any of your pool gambling, that will speak for itself for all of time.

And I'm not doubting your winnings in the casino, What i'm saying is that I'm dumbfounded that you BELIEVE in yourself with regards to beating the casino. It is confounding that such an accomplished gambler would truly beleive in their system. Humans are way to short lived to get good statistical distribution on casino games, you may be in a statistical RUN of wins (lets for arguments sake say that you've won the last 1000 hands of craps you have played). Well, each table at each casion may deal 1000 craps hands in single day, even if a casino only deals 1 million hands in the life of the casino (obviously they will deal many more), a single person can only play a FEW THOUSAND hands in their life. Its not JUST that they have a 1.5% advantage (or whatever/odds, etc). Its that they can actually experience that advantage because of the sheer number of hands. You probably have won 10's of thousands, and you MAY continue to, but the odds are NOT (and never were) in your favor. Because of our short life spans and limited #of hands you could easily NEVER win another hand of craps again. It would seem "impossible" to the lay-man, but is actually expected by a statistician (not because you are "due" to loose, but because outcomes, over infinite time, are always grouped, and very very very rarely actually alternate.....ie, theres really no WLWLWLWLWLWLWLW, when looked at a whole it is WWWWWWWWWWWWWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLWLLLWLLLWLLLLLLLLLWWWWWWWWWLLLLLWLWLWLWLWLWWWWWWWWWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLWWWWWWWWWLWLWLWLWWWWL

etc....you are in a string of W's.....dont think that it has anything to do with YOU at all, because it doesnt.


Archie confounded all system players and several casinos too, when he proceeded to relieve them of a number North of 30 million in the span of two months in the Summer of '94.

He had ALL the $5,000 chips from the Horseshoe. Approx. 10 million worth, locked in one of their own boxes. Teddie Binion had to come and buy 2 million back from Archie, so the Horseshoe would have some.

He had 4 or 5 million in boxes at the Mirage, Caesars and Bellagio, and lesser amounts elsewhere. NO bank account by the way. And walked around with several hundred K in his pockets. I went out to dinner with him once, after bumping into him at the Cue Club. I offered to pay the tab, and he said never mind. I swear he pulled a 50K wad out of one pocket. It was a melon!

He told me he had settled up with the IRS to the tune of 4 mil, and now all the money was his free and clear. He was still sitting on 25M plus change (his pocket money). Now how did he win all this? The first Million or so came from beating the President of the Mirage at Pool and Poker. Then he beat several other top poker players out of a bunch playing heads up. He made them play four and eight thousand, the highest limits ever back then.

But the bulk of it came from the Dice Tables. He robbed them day after day, making them raise the limits for him. He wanted to bet 50K a number and take five times odds. The Horseshoe gave it to him, until he won everything but the casino. The major strip casinos would let him bet the 50, but only gave him double odds. Lucky for them.

I advised Archie at the time to invest some of his millions with legit investment firms, and referred him to the one my father had used for years in Beverly Hills. I told him that if he put in 10 million, he may make 50 to 60K a month on his investments. Forever! But Archie trusted no one and eventually gave most of his millions back.

To this day, he is the only person I know who was barred from playing Dice in Vegas at the major casinos. He did have some "techniques" that had nothing to do with Pass or Don't Pass. It had everything to do with how he threw the dice. And he understood the Dice Layout as good or better than any Stickman. He knew exactly what the payouts were when he hit a number, and if a dealer tried to shortchange him, Archie was all over them.

He could keep track of several numbers with odds at one time, both Placing the bets and from Come Out rolls. When he hit, he always knew exactly how much he had coming. I saw him win nearly four million at Binions in less than two hours. He lost back a million, and quit. He said that was enough for today.

Archie is still around today, one of the most dangerous gamblers alive. he frequently runs up a few hundred G's and even a million or more. But he can't quit and always ends up on short money. He will play pool too, but he wants to start at 500 to 1,000 a game. And you have to give up long weight.

Probably the single greatest gambler I've known in my lifetime. Fearless and double sharp is how I'd describe him.
 
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