Old cues are better?
- Thread starter Straightpool_99
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REALLY??? I thought when every one found "the best hitting cue ive ever come across" was the time to sell it and search for another!
Some people will say anything to sell a cue
This Guy has no shame! look at this it is just getting out of hand!
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=319887
for real now!
the 80s wood was alot better now we do engineered fast growing replanted trees. I am talking maple and that is 60% of most cues
also you have to think the # of cues pumping out now compared to 1980.
I dont care who blows fluff about there construction ,special joints ,bigger pins, special threads WHAT EVER!!!!its all fluff
80-90% of the cues play comes from Tip,Ferrell ,taper and shaft wood quality!
and right now the great old growth wood is not being available to the makers like it used to be!( it is still out there but alot harder to find)
I personally love the old shons-joss-mcdermott and huebler… but i believe alot of the price has to do with when we were 15-20 years old and we seen these beauties at the pool hall and were only making $3.25 a hour they were out of our reach now , they are a memory in reach..
But they are great cues!
the 80s wood was alot better now we do engineered fast growing replanted trees. I am talking maple and that is 60% of most cues
also you have to think the # of cues pumping out now compared to 1980.
I dont care who blows fluff about there construction ,special joints ,bigger pins, special threads WHAT EVER!!!!its all fluff
80-90% of the cues play comes from Tip,Ferrell ,taper and shaft wood quality!
and right now the great old growth wood is not being available to the makers like it used to be!( it is still out there but alot harder to find)
I personally love the old shons-joss-mcdermott and huebler… but i believe alot of the price has to do with when we were 15-20 years old and we seen these beauties at the pool hall and were only making $3.25 a hour they were out of our reach now , they are a memory in reach..
But they are great cues!
I prefer cues with a history myself. Be it history with me or from friends and acquaintances I admire. I think that the older (early 90's on back) cues are better not just for the sake of the materials used, but the way that they were put together and the time taken to make sure it was good.
I own a newer McDermott G-series cue and it hits like a dream. Bought it brand new and I absolutely love it. I hated it at first, but its growing on me.... mush like a new pair of underwear, at first restrictive, but over time it becomes a part of you. I have a few older cues that are awesome and I will never sell them... they just hit too damn good to let them go.
Newer cues that hit so well that you feel the hit in your hand are very rare indeed. Ive played with a ton of newer cues and only a couple come to mind that were any good. McDermott and Viking. They consistently make a good cue straight throughout their entire line of available cues. other companies only start making a decent cue when you are spending 600.00 or more, and some just cant make a decent cue at any price.(I will name no names)
Custom cues are risky in my opinion, even from a well known maker. If you have the money to burn and feel lucky, toss them dice.
Laters.
I own a newer McDermott G-series cue and it hits like a dream. Bought it brand new and I absolutely love it. I hated it at first, but its growing on me.... mush like a new pair of underwear, at first restrictive, but over time it becomes a part of you. I have a few older cues that are awesome and I will never sell them... they just hit too damn good to let them go.
Newer cues that hit so well that you feel the hit in your hand are very rare indeed. Ive played with a ton of newer cues and only a couple come to mind that were any good. McDermott and Viking. They consistently make a good cue straight throughout their entire line of available cues. other companies only start making a decent cue when you are spending 600.00 or more, and some just cant make a decent cue at any price.(I will name no names)
Custom cues are risky in my opinion, even from a well known maker. If you have the money to burn and feel lucky, toss them dice.
Laters.
Palmer Values
I can only speak for Palmers (1st thru 3rd catalog) but the market for these cues, any model, house conversion or even models J, K, L, M, 20 is still depressed. Of course, asking price should never be confused with value. The value is only determined by an actual sale.
There have been some exceptions over the last couple of years (Notably two years ago, when a $400 3rd Catalog Model 4 sold for an incredible $1,200 !!!!) but my observations show values down anywhere from 20% - 45% from what is shown on the Palmer Collector site whose values I believe date back to 2006.
I've seen bargain sales on the desirable models mentioned above: J, K, L, M, 20, none of which required restoration.
Certain cues may sell for more because of special condition or characteristics that make them desirable to a specific buyer, but in my experience the stuff from Elizabeth NJ can be had for very reasonable money right now.
Jay
I can only speak for Palmers (1st thru 3rd catalog) but the market for these cues, any model, house conversion or even models J, K, L, M, 20 is still depressed. Of course, asking price should never be confused with value. The value is only determined by an actual sale.
There have been some exceptions over the last couple of years (Notably two years ago, when a $400 3rd Catalog Model 4 sold for an incredible $1,200 !!!!) but my observations show values down anywhere from 20% - 45% from what is shown on the Palmer Collector site whose values I believe date back to 2006.
I've seen bargain sales on the desirable models mentioned above: J, K, L, M, 20, none of which required restoration.
Certain cues may sell for more because of special condition or characteristics that make them desirable to a specific buyer, but in my experience the stuff from Elizabeth NJ can be had for very reasonable money right now.
Jay
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Pathetic Shark
Banned
Here's the silly notion about cues......everyone of us has opinions about what's the best cue, the greatest cue-maker or our own skill levels.
We render opinions about pool cues we don't own and may never own and we base it purely on a photo all too often. I have never played with a Danny Tibbits cue or even held one but based upon everything I've seen or read, he is a very talented cue-maker, one of the greats from what I hear.
Joel Hercek is probably my favorite cue-maker but I've never played with one of his cues....so what makes him so great....his reputation and who trained and taught him cue-building.....that's why......but I've never played with one of his cues. Yet I'm inclined to praise his cues when I see them on the Forum but I have never owned a cue by Joel Hercek and it's unlikely I ever will because the ones I want are all $6-8k and I won't spend more than $3500 for a cue.....that's the limit I set and I am not going to change at this stage in life.
My point is sometimes the opinion is based on fact or maybe firsthand experience and therefore, the opinion has a lot more validity. And sometimes the opinion is based upon hearsay, what we've heard or read what others post or maybe it's just our gut reaction to how a cue looks. Regardless, everyone is entitled to an opinion of course but here's the catch.........not every opinion is worth having .......especially when the opinion opines something the poster has no firsthand experience with..........it's based upon just their emotions.....ergo, the opinion is pretty worthless and totally without any value whatsoever.
Sadly, there's way too much negative opinion rendering on the Forum by persons that have zero knowledge about the topic or matter under discussion........those are the morons I was referring to in my earlier post about driving by the accident on the highway. If they can't talk smack or shit, they're out of their true element.
We render opinions about pool cues we don't own and may never own and we base it purely on a photo all too often. I have never played with a Danny Tibbits cue or even held one but based upon everything I've seen or read, he is a very talented cue-maker, one of the greats from what I hear.
Joel Hercek is probably my favorite cue-maker but I've never played with one of his cues....so what makes him so great....his reputation and who trained and taught him cue-building.....that's why......but I've never played with one of his cues. Yet I'm inclined to praise his cues when I see them on the Forum but I have never owned a cue by Joel Hercek and it's unlikely I ever will because the ones I want are all $6-8k and I won't spend more than $3500 for a cue.....that's the limit I set and I am not going to change at this stage in life.
My point is sometimes the opinion is based on fact or maybe firsthand experience and therefore, the opinion has a lot more validity. And sometimes the opinion is based upon hearsay, what we've heard or read what others post or maybe it's just our gut reaction to how a cue looks. Regardless, everyone is entitled to an opinion of course but here's the catch.........not every opinion is worth having .......especially when the opinion opines something the poster has no firsthand experience with..........it's based upon just their emotions.....ergo, the opinion is pretty worthless and totally without any value whatsoever.
Sadly, there's way too much negative opinion rendering on the Forum by persons that have zero knowledge about the topic or matter under discussion........those are the morons I was referring to in my earlier post about driving by the accident on the highway. If they can't talk smack or shit, they're out of their true element.
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