Well, in that case, I guess I shouldn't bother continuing in this vein, then.
Old days 9ball rules
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Well, in that case, I guess I shouldn't bother continuing in this vein, then.
in the 60;s 9 ball was played as a " shoot again or honest effort : game in a lot of places. the problem with that was players would appear to be trying to hit the ball but would be playing the cue ball safe. this could go on forever.
thus was born 2 foul pushout. the only problem was 2 fouls by the same player ment u could push push indefinitely. thus was born 2 fouls by any player ( if i push and u take the shot and foul , i get ball in hand )
this was done because the nits of the game would push push all nite
there were lots of variations on the object ball rules which u had to get straight up front ( spot all balls...spot 2 balls before the money...spot 1 ball before the money...
it was a good game then. rather than play 1 foul 9 ball now....i play bank pool..lol
thus was born 2 foul pushout. the only problem was 2 fouls by the same player ment u could push push indefinitely. thus was born 2 fouls by any player ( if i push and u take the shot and foul , i get ball in hand )
this was done because the nits of the game would push push all nite
there were lots of variations on the object ball rules which u had to get straight up front ( spot all balls...spot 2 balls before the money...spot 1 ball before the money...
it was a good game then. rather than play 1 foul 9 ball now....i play bank pool..lol
Gunn_Slinger...The difference is that Randyg WROTE the BCA 9-Ball rules...and later, the Texas Express Rules.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
I wrote the rules, using some BCA books, some help from Pat Flemings book, and some advice from Dick Lane. What most people don't realize, is that I also NAMED the rules I put into action. The first major event I was recruited to direct was the Texas State Open, where having no copies of the rules yet, I wrote the rules on the wall of the pool hall where all could see. There were only 5 rules. Somewhere in the mountain of pool paraphenalia I have collected over the last 40 year is some copies of the originals.
Not too many years later, me, Randy Goettlicher and John McChesney joined forces and started the Southwest Tour. After having great success, we decided to branch out further and did about 60 events nationwide with the McDermott National 9-ball Tour. This lead to the Texas Express Promotions Group where we further refined the rules to include just about everything that could come up in a game. We were producing over 100 events a year and after many years we had plans on going world wide.
Needless to say, like all great things that have happened in our sport, we became victims of the knockers and know-it-alls and one particular pro player who cost us our sponsorship. We would still be in action today if not for the afforementioned groups. We had a vision and a purpose and unlike most associations, we all got along fabulously.
We distributed thousands upon thousands of copies of the rules. We made 9-ball popular and easy to understand to the masses. Rooms I used to visit where 8-ball was king, now had half the pool hall playing Texas Express. Love them or hate them, we brought organized competition and consistency to tournament play.
I could go on and on but just catch me at a tournament somewhere, I have plenty of speeches about the billiard industry. Robin Adair
Not too many years later, me, Randy Goettlicher and John McChesney joined forces and started the Southwest Tour. After having great success, we decided to branch out further and did about 60 events nationwide with the McDermott National 9-ball Tour. This lead to the Texas Express Promotions Group where we further refined the rules to include just about everything that could come up in a game. We were producing over 100 events a year and after many years we had plans on going world wide.
Needless to say, like all great things that have happened in our sport, we became victims of the knockers and know-it-alls and one particular pro player who cost us our sponsorship. We would still be in action today if not for the afforementioned groups. We had a vision and a purpose and unlike most associations, we all got along fabulously.
We distributed thousands upon thousands of copies of the rules. We made 9-ball popular and easy to understand to the masses. Rooms I used to visit where 8-ball was king, now had half the pool hall playing Texas Express. Love them or hate them, we brought organized competition and consistency to tournament play.
I could go on and on but just catch me at a tournament somewhere, I have plenty of speeches about the billiard industry. Robin Adair
Voodoo Daddy
One Pocket 101
I personally miss push-out 9Ball...but I understand the need for the express rules. The beauty of rolling out slowed the game down but its a fond memory of watching players like Toby Sweet and Richie Ambrose play perfect push-out.
Voo~~~turning off memory lane and heading back towards 2009
Voo~~~turning off memory lane and heading back towards 2009
You have the info backwards my friend.
I was part of TE & the BCA Rules Committee at the same time. Robin, Randy & John allowed the BCA to use (copy) TE Rules, and that's a fact!!!!!
SPF=randyg
And that's a fact, Jack! What we did with Robin's original rules is history. TE streamlined our modern day 9-Ball game. Each year we made small changes to our original base. Texas Express Group was the nuts! Robin was the biggest and the best. To put up with John & myself must have drove him crazy.
It's all Robins fault......
randyg
Actually, I feel that the modern 9 ball rules gave birth to a different skill set. In rollout, it was rare to play a good safe. Also, the need to kick well and precisely was almost non existent.
I actually like the T/E rules. Yes, there is more luck involved, but I like that you need to be a more rounded player to win too.
Eric
Thanks Randy, you are the best also. Lest I forget mentioning, Randy was also a sponsor of the Tour. He not only promoted and directed events, he donated a Pool School package worth $500+ to the roomowner. We brought cues and cases and various other merchandise to the rooms, to help with the recovery of the added money, and many thought that Randy's gift, was the best part of the package.
My favorite variation, was...any pay balls that went in early (on a legal hit) were respotted (you still got paid), until they went down in order; and many times we played "double on the run". That meant that even playing for $1 on the 5, and $2 on the 9, you could potentially make several money balls, run the rack, and cash in for $20-$50 a game, if you were playing a ring game, with 3 or 4 guys!Ah...those were the days! LOL
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Those WERE the days! I think the most fun I ever had was playing ring games by those old rules. The guys I played with also had a monetary penalty for fouls, kind of like hickies in golf, except they called it "the crack". If you committed a foul, you had to put something, anywhere from a quarter to a dollar depending on the stakes, in the crack. A double foul, ie: not hitting the ob and also scratching, would have you paying double into the crack. Then whoever made the final 9-ball got the "crack money" for that game, LOL. And yes, all money balls spotted until they fell in order. I remember seeing 5 or 6 money balls made in one game many, many times... 'course that was on old AE Schmidt 8-footers with buckets. What a blast that was, though!
Aaron
Matter of opinion. More rounded player, I don't think so. In push out, as I've already mentioned, many good players pushed out to a safe that their opponent would pass on, so I disagree. Others have stated they pushed to a safe their opponent would shoot, which I don't understand. The idea was to make the opponent pass as I understood it.
Good points. I guess I shoulda been more specific. With the advent of 1 foul 9 ball, you HAVE to kick well. The worst kick I faced in rollout 9 ball was a relatively simple 1 rail kick.
Eric
ring game
Yea, i remember those days, wonder how many kids now day have ever shot a spot shot!!boy that shot made you a** pucker up when you had the money on the line!!! STICK:thumbup:
Yea, i remember those days, wonder how many kids now day have ever shot a spot shot!!boy that shot made you a** pucker up when you had the money on the line!!! STICK:thumbup:
playing in 80
LO LO i started playing in the late 40-early 50, pool 10cents a cue ----snooker 20cents a cue LO LO im older than dirt!!!!:grin:I was playing with some good friends which I started playing pool with -
back in the mid 80's - the other day. Long time since we have met but it
was fun.
However, old days must of course be discussed and we all kind of agreed
that we seemed to remember that we had to call the 9 ball in the 80's.
Now we don't and I was just wondering if we remembered correct and why
was this rule removed?
Would for sure remove some of the lucky shots in 9 ball, but I guess the
need for breakbox and the like is still required since we could break the
wing ball as regular as turns to the toilet but 9 ball on the break would be harder
Or was there some one which figured out how to break the 9 ball on a regular basis ?
Was just wondering.
K
I dont know what happened from 79 to 88 as i was out of pool with back problems.
But i do know that 1 foul was started in virginia in 1969 by bennie for his tourneys...I was in bennies office at jack and jills when he showed me the rules.... nobody gambled with thoses rules , we played pushout ( which IMO is still the best way to play 9 ball )
If you like to kick, duck and hide, there is already a game for that.....and its called 1 pocket.....