Delrin would not have finish on it.
*OLD* Joss cue identification request
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Delrin would not have finish on it.
Thanks, everyone, for the input and insights!
Thanks for posting that -- without seeing them side by side, it'd be difficult to be certain, but it looks like they're the exact same design, though yours appears to be in excellent condition.
Absolutely loving this cue, and now want to see it provided a little of the TLC it deserves. I had hoped to reach out to Mr. Stroud to see if he might consider a restoration project, but it appears his website is no longer maintained, and the listed telephone number has been disconnected.
Can anyone recommend another trustworthy and appropriately skilled person to restore the cue with such a modification? I know of nobody in my area, and am hesitant to just 'Google' for someone and end up with a hack working on it.
Dan was kind enough to accept my cue for refinishing. With the amount of wear and damage it had sustained over the years, I was
hopeful, but could never have imagined the miracle restoration he was able to perform! I can't recommend him highly enough. He
and Debbie were a thorough pleasure to deal with throughout the process, and I think these before and after pictures speak for
themselves as to the results:
(Note that the 'after' images were taken with a different camera than the 'before,' and the actual tone of the wood is a bit truer in
the 'before' pictures)
I wish I had a before picture for the ferrule... No way I would've been able to tell it was ivory before, but it cleaned beautifully.
Is the shaft made of maple? It appears to be made of a different wood.
He identified it as "Areno Blanco," a hardwood he started with for a few shafts but was never able to replenish his supply.
Restored with wrong generation logo
So I'm absolutely delighted with the quality of the restoration work, but had noticed and now had it pointed out to me by another that the restored cue bears the carved Joss logo used in a later generation of their cues (70's) than the ('68-72) slanted logo this cue had originally had.
Throughout the process, Dan and his wife, Debbie, were friendly and professional , and the last thing I'd want to do would be to offend, but... Would I be 'nitpicking' to contact him and point out this difference, requesting it be corrected (I wouldn't mind paying for the new buttcap part)?
Aside from preserving the heritage of the cue, I also don't want to do myself a disservice if failing to address it might have a notable adverse impact on the value of the cue in the event I should ever decide to part ways with it (and no, I'm not looking to sell it!).
Any thoughts on whether it would be appropriate to contact him on this, or whether I should just 'STFU' and be happy with what I have?
So I'm absolutely delighted with the quality of the restoration work, but had noticed and now had it pointed out to me by another that the restored cue bears the carved Joss logo used in a later generation of their cues (70's) than the ('68-72) slanted logo this cue had originally had.
Throughout the process, Dan and his wife, Debbie, were friendly and professional , and the last thing I'd want to do would be to offend, but... Would I be 'nitpicking' to contact him and point out this difference, requesting it be corrected (I wouldn't mind paying for the new buttcap part)?
Aside from preserving the heritage of the cue, I also don't want to do myself a disservice if failing to address it might have a notable adverse impact on the value of the cue in the event I should ever decide to part ways with it (and no, I'm not looking to sell it!).
Any thoughts on whether it would be appropriate to contact him on this, or whether I should just 'STFU' and be happy with what I have?
Ughhhh, I thought you were going to finish that as a Hope ring! I would not be pleased about that!
No, I would ask, in a professional way.
The answer may be "no", but what harm is there in asking.
I had a JW that had lost its logo with a previous refinish. I talked with Bill and he did engraved the JW with the sideways "W" of JW, for free (I sent him $50 afterwards anyway).
I think Bill Stroud enjoyed looking at my old JW, so it was a treat for him too.
If it was mine I would try to get the original style logo, engraved.
JMO.
Ken
The refinish job is fine, no need to worry about any perceived value change with the logo. Just keep the before and after pics which will add to the provenance and story that goes with the cue.
Thanks all for the input. I'll stick with it as it is, and will retain all the documentation that clarifies the original nature of the cue.
Good to know - I'd known from a PM from Bill that he had been the original crafter, and this clarifies the logo. I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable asking Dan to essentially forge another's logo.
Side note - this thing hits. Like a beast. Or more accurately, like a beast that b!tchslapped the thing that hits like a beast.
Good to know - I'd known from a PM from Bill that he had been the original crafter, and this clarifies the logo. I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable asking Dan to essentially forge another's logo.
Side note - this thing hits. Like a beast. Or more accurately, like a beast that b!tchslapped the thing that hits like a beast.
Sorry to dig up an old thread. I am sure it does hit "like a beast that b!tchslapped the thing that hits like a beast", thank you for sharing. 
As for the cue restoration. You did the right thing sending it to Janes. As for the new logo, Janes inscribed it. Cutting the butt plate down to preserve the original logo might have seemed right, but Janes did the right thing. Anything else would have been a hack job not worthy of a HOF cue maker.
Keep the documentation. Too often history is lost with old cues. I do not believe the value is really adversely affected. The cue was damaged. Hacking up the original butt plate would have altered the value more IMHO.
These cues are players. Sure people collect them, but make no mistake they are still among the best players. Shoot with it.
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As for the cue restoration. You did the right thing sending it to Janes. As for the new logo, Janes inscribed it. Cutting the butt plate down to preserve the original logo might have seemed right, but Janes did the right thing. Anything else would have been a hack job not worthy of a HOF cue maker.
Keep the documentation. Too often history is lost with old cues. I do not believe the value is really adversely affected. The cue was damaged. Hacking up the original butt plate would have altered the value more IMHO.
These cues are players. Sure people collect them, but make no mistake they are still among the best players. Shoot with it.
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Oh I did, and it is. But it's too heavy for my natural stroke at close to 21oz to use as a regular player (but your reviving this thread did inspire me to bring it back out for a few games - thanks!). I will say that the original shaft (grainless areno blanco wood) hits an order of magnitude better than the other shaft (which I believe was added in the 70's), or at least I'm perceiving it that way.
Video shows just how good a job Dan did better than the pictures - though in retrospect I probably should have wiped my handprints off the butt first...
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