Old Timers Playing with High Deflection Shafts

I think you may not understand his playing style. The overhead shot show Bustamante using his aiming system where he aim at the bottom right or left of the cue ball but on his last stroke he usually hit center ball. Is a very cool playing style where the system allow him to find his aim line during the warm up stroke and the execute the shot with a parallel line of aim.

As for LD shafts...anyone tried to test a LD shaft with a high quality shaft from custom cue builder like SW, Bender, etc. I like the hit, sound and feel of these shafts from custom builder than any LD that I've tried.

You're right Cuemaster98 -- I did forget he did that. I've watched Rob Saez play and I've noticed he does the exact same thing. Feather to the left.....feather to the left....feather to the left........shoot somewhere else!

Thanks for setting me straight on that.
 
You're right Cuemaster98 -- I did forget he did that. I've watched Rob Saez play and I've noticed he does the exact same thing. Feather to the left.....feather to the left....feather to the left........shoot somewhere else!

Thanks for setting me straight on that.

A lot of pros do that. If you watch SVB real closely, you can see him lining up a part of the ferrule using inside english, then in his final stroke, he shifts to center ball by moving his elbow to where it is right over the cue.

The principle to what they are doing is where Hal came up with center to edge aiming systems.
 
The objective to decipher the line of aim is the same but the method used to achieve it is different.


A lot of pros do that. If you watch SVB real closely, you can see him lining up a part of the ferrule using inside english, then in his final stroke, he shifts to center ball by moving his elbow to where it is right over the cue.

The principle to what they are doing is where Hal came up with center to edge aiming systems.
 
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A lot of pros do that. If you watch SVB real closely, you can see him lining up a part of the ferrule using inside english, then in his final stroke, he shifts to center ball by moving his elbow to where it is right over the cue.

The principle to what they are doing is where Hal came up with center to edge aiming systems.

Actually, the movement comes from his shoulder more than his elbow, if you watch closely. It's easy to fixate on his elbow, but Shane's "centering" during the delivery stroke comes from the shoulder. Ignore his elbow, and watch his shoulder during his delivery stroke.

I think it has a lot more to do with the fact he uses a canted wrist and is a compensation motion for predictably-straight follow-through, than to do with aiming. In other words, it's a logical extension of making sure the follow-through is straight even with a canted wrist. Otherwise, with the forward-canted wrist (hand arched forward into the direction of the stroke), the heel of the grip hand gets in the way of a proper follow-through, so the shoulder is moved outwards to put the arm on the "outside" of the cue for clearance.

Another one who does that very motion -- shoulder motion included -- is Phil Davis of CT.

-Sean
 
A lot of pros do that. If you watch SVB real closely, you can see him lining up a part of the ferrule using inside english, then in his final stroke, he shifts to center ball by moving his elbow to where it is right over the cue.

The principle to what they are doing is where Hal came up with center to edge aiming systems.

The Touch of Inside strikes again. :eek:
 
His shoulder appears to be coming off the toi position.

Yes, you have a good point there....His shoulder appears to be coming off the toi position.


Actually, the movement comes from his shoulder more than his elbow, if you watch closely. It's easy to fixate on his elbow, but Shane's "centering" during the delivery stroke comes from the shoulder. Ignore his elbow, and watch his shoulder during his delivery stroke.

I think it has a lot more to do with the fact he uses a canted wrist and is a compensation motion for predictably-straight follow-through, than to do with aiming. In other words, it's a logical extension of making sure the follow-through is straight even with a canted wrist. Otherwise, with the forward-canted wrist (hand arched forward into the direction of the stroke), the heel of the grip hand gets in the way of a proper follow-through, so the shoulder is moved outwards to put the arm on the "outside" of the cue for clearance.

Another one who does that very motion -- shoulder motion included -- is Phil Davis of CT.

-Sean
 
A lot of pros do that. If you watch SVB real closely, you can see him lining up a part of the ferrule using inside english, then in his final stroke, he shifts to center ball by moving his elbow to where it is right over the cue.

The principle to what they are doing is where Hal came up with center to edge aiming systems.

Actually, the movement comes from his shoulder more than his elbow, if you watch closely. It's easy to fixate on his elbow, but Shane's "centering" during the delivery stroke comes from the shoulder. Ignore his elbow, and watch his shoulder during his delivery stroke.

I think it has a lot more to do with the fact he uses a canted wrist and is a compensation motion for predictably-straight follow-through, than to do with aiming. In other words, it's a logical extension of making sure the follow-through is straight even with a canted wrist. Otherwise, with the forward-canted wrist (hand arched forward into the direction of the stroke), the heel of the grip hand gets in the way of a proper follow-through, so the shoulder is moved outwards to put the arm on the "outside" of the cue for clearance.

Another one who does that very motion -- shoulder motion included -- is Phil Davis of CT.

-Sean

Just the fact that you guys pick up on little things like that makes me know that I'm not all alone in this world.

You two are total pool nerds.....not that there's anything wrong with that. :grin-square:

I will say that with SVB I've noticed both the canted wrist and the shoulder movement (oh and I had to look up the definition of canted). Anyway, it does appear to me that it's much more about cueing than aiming. Great players really don't do much aiming while they are down over the ball. Well, at least they shouldn't.
 
Meucci cues had very low deflection over 20 years ago.

My shafts deflect like they're LD, but they're simply taken down to 12 mm....I alter tip size depending on the size of the table and sometimes humidity. Deflection should be used to gain an advantage, not avoided. 'The Game is the Teacher'

I have never used an LD shaft. What exactly do you mean that deflection should be used to gain an advantage, not avoided?
 
Anyway, it does appear to me that it's much more about cueing than aiming. Great players really don't do much aiming while they are down over the ball. Well, at least they shouldn't.


If there were a "secrect" this would be it. Great players make balls with their stroke, not with their eyes.
 
Here's a couple of FREE videos that explains more about what I'm referring to.

Deflection should not be feared unless it's the remains unknown. Many players go their entire lives and try to avoid deflection when it's best to embrace it, and use it so you can favor the inside of the pocket and use the '3 Part Pocket System' (this is the inside, middle and outside of the pocket as a zone).

Here's a couple of FREE videos that explains more about what I'm referring to.


'The TOI Game is the Teacher'





I have never used an LD shaft. What exactly do you mean that deflection should be used to gain an advantage, not avoided?
 
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