old timers using heavy cues
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Willie Hoppe definitely did
The Old Jaybird
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both of my Schon's are 19 and I have a 18 break cue and a 25 ounce "thumper" made by Guido Orlandi for breaking and its also 2 inches shorter than normal.
As a kid the local pool room had 4 snooker tables and an old pool table. I grew up playing much more snooker and used 12/13 ounce house cues, none were too straight. My "thing" as a kid was to shoot the object ball with just enough speed to make it to the pocket. I thought it was neat to trick my opponent into thinking I had short stroked it, only to drop at the last ball rotation. These were old A. E. Schmidt tables with 2 inch slate that were heavy as hell, probably dated from about World War One.
When I went to college, the student union had 2 bar boxes, small tables with big pockets, compared to the 9 foot, small pocket, small balls of my "home" snooker tables. I ruled in my small world.
I didn't know it at the time, but about an hour and half away, Johnston City was going full speed.
The purpose of my original post was to see if any old timers, Crane, Lassiter, Moore, Fats, etal shot with a 24 ounce stick regularly, the extra heft providing more follow-thru, or other advantage.
As a kid the local pool room had 4 snooker tables and an old pool table. I grew up playing much more snooker and used 12/13 ounce house cues, none were too straight. My "thing" as a kid was to shoot the object ball with just enough speed to make it to the pocket. I thought it was neat to trick my opponent into thinking I had short stroked it, only to drop at the last ball rotation. These were old A. E. Schmidt tables with 2 inch slate that were heavy as hell, probably dated from about World War One.
When I went to college, the student union had 2 bar boxes, small tables with big pockets, compared to the 9 foot, small pocket, small balls of my "home" snooker tables. I ruled in my small world.
I didn't know it at the time, but about an hour and half away, Johnston City was going full speed.
The purpose of my original post was to see if any old timers, Crane, Lassiter, Moore, Fats, etal shot with a 24 ounce stick regularly, the extra heft providing more follow-thru, or other advantage.
I didn’t think about cue weight very much a long time ago. The first custom I ordered was with Bob Runde shortly
after he started Schon cues with Terry. I was more concerned about the design appearance than the cue weight.
My 1985 Runde Schon cue weight is 20.4 ozs. I played with this cue for 20 years until I stumbled across playing
with lighter weight pool cues & a different style cue joint. Now all my pool cues are two ozs. lighter than my Schon.
IMO, heavier cues are more akin to playing a fiddle whereas lighter weight cues, analogously speaking, are a violin.
The cue doesn’t make your pool stroke straight, you do. Personally, controlling stroke speed also seems easier too.
after he started Schon cues with Terry. I was more concerned about the design appearance than the cue weight.
My 1985 Runde Schon cue weight is 20.4 ozs. I played with this cue for 20 years until I stumbled across playing
with lighter weight pool cues & a different style cue joint. Now all my pool cues are two ozs. lighter than my Schon.
IMO, heavier cues are more akin to playing a fiddle whereas lighter weight cues, analogously speaking, are a violin.
The cue doesn’t make your pool stroke straight, you do. Personally, controlling stroke speed also seems easier too.
BHE (for shafts with shorter pivot lengths) just means moving your back hand only to apply english pre-corrected for squirt. How is that better for lighter cues and CB control?
Why is FHE (for shafts with longer pivot lengths) better now?
pj
chgo
I used to see old cues that went 22-24 ounces pretty regularly, occasionally a 26. In addition tips were as big as 14mm. No half mile of pro taper either although the shaft tapered gently for a long ways. I don't remember hitting with any of those old monster customs but I did play with 24's off the wall at a hall with deep wet directional cloth. You needed a stroke too.
Hu
I can only think of one objective difference in performance between heavier and lighter cues: a lighter cue has to be stroked a little faster than a heavier cue to get the same force into the CB, and you may be more comfortable/accurate with a faster or slower stroke - personal preference, but for an objective difference in performance.
What else am I missing?
pj
chgo
What else am I missing?
pj
chgo
a skinny Mexican named Morales beat pretty much everybody he played in Tx and the left coast back in the 80's, iirc the pos cue he used weighed about 21oz and probably didn't cost more than $15
earl also experimented with 23 to 25oz cues the were long, real long
earl also experimented with 23 to 25oz cues the were long, real long
He never wastes an opportunity to antagonize the community.
ignore it, it'll stop
I am 71 YO and I use an 18 oz cue and have been thinking about making it lighter.
I ordered 14oz.
Now its 16oz
All I need on my 3C game.
Sure others will disagree.
70yrs
My mentor who is gone, played with a 22oz. He was also a very big and strong man.
Player's ability produce the range of shots can be contingent on the weight/mass of the cue. That effect can be traced and spec ed to neural/synaptic response time.
A Canadian player in vnea masters plays and breaks with a 25 ounce cue
Serious question, does he bank well?
I don’t know it never came up in the match I seen
Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
My brother mentioned his wife likes playing with a heavy ~23oz cue. Thats the only person I know that prefers one that heavy.
I asked because the big mass seems to right where the dead banks are.