Omega dpk 5 point w/ silver rings!

Who built the shafts? Are they Omega/DPK shafts that were with the blanks, or were they built by someone else? What taper is on the shafts?

JMO...I just purchased a really nice John Davis true full-splice blank...a really nice one with high-grade wood. I also just purchased some very old shaft blanks that were almost at the final cut. These came from Bill McDaniel.

These extremely nice, high grade components are being completed to build my new personal playing cue. It will be a Cory Barnhart cue built with Davis/McDaniel components.

The problem AS I SEE IT with these cues is not that YOU are mis-representing them, or anything. I fully understand what you are saying. However, 5 years from now, after the cues have changed hands a couple of times, no one will be representing these as cues built from Omega/DPK blanks, they will just be calling them Omega/DPK cues, because they will be more valuable that way. The cues should be marked/ID'd in some manner so folks could easily distinguish them from full-fledged Omega/DPK cues.

Joe
 
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The fact is, there is no evidence whatsoever that Paul or Mike ever touched these blanks. For that matter, these cues look different than ANY cue to come out of the real OMEGA/DPK shop.

When one buys an "OMEGA/DPK" it's because of the workmanship, build, shaft wood, taper, tolerances, etc., etc., of Paul Kersenbrock and Mike Bender. That's it.

Since you admit that Ray Hernandez was the last one in the original shop, perhaps he built these blanks and now approx 15 years later got some funding and is finishing them up in the Esoteric Cues shop. That's how I read your marketing spin.

We all know what makes a cue hit good, and it's not the forearm blank. It's primarily the joint, pin and most importantly, the shafts. None of these components were made at, or are remotely related to, Omega/DPK.

This is precisely why nobody on AZ or even eBay will touch your cues! You're calling a Yugo a BMW because one of the engineers used to work at BMW.

So, NO, these are NOT OMEGA/DPK cues. MANY OF US HAVE EMAILED/PMd YOU STATING THIS. They are strictly ESOTERIC CUES made by Ray Hernandez.

The history that you're relying so heavily on might make an interesting back-story, but it does not make these Omega/DPK cues, nor does it increase the value of your cues.

Try this: "Esoteric Cues are made by Ray Hernandez, who apprenticed under Master Cuemakers Paul Kersenbrock and Mike Bender in the Omega/DPK shop during the 1990s"
 
Just my opinion as a looker. I have always been curious as to one day possibly owning an Omega DPK, so when this cue first posted it initially caught my eye. However, after much thought, although I wasn't in a position to purchase it, if I were in a position to buy it, I probably wouldn't have simply because the title in the post suggests the possibility of getting into an Omega DPK. However, once the deal would have been done, I wouldn't have been able to convince myself that I were the new owner of a 'real' Omega DPK.
dave

Dave,

I understand completely.

Rick Geschrey
 
Thanks for the post Von,

First of all Ray did not make these blanks and to state such a thing would not be truthful. He worked at Ed Boado's shop in 2002 as Ed was trying to re-build the company with a new cue maker. Ray came to work one Monday and the entire shop had been cleared out. Case closed.

Ray mostly only worked on cues that had floating point inlays and the few point veneer cues he made were 4 pointers with shorter points than the Omegas blanks I bought. He did not make veneered 5 point cues. Even today Ray does our CNC inlay stuff as I build all of our point cues with the veneers.

Here are some pics of a few of the Omega DPK blanks I purchased. If you compare them to any other Omega DPK pictures online you will not be able to say they are not OMEGA DPKs. Look at the 5 point veneers, the boxed rings and ivory inlay contour designs. The one light colored cue even displays the Omega DPK flared butt cap which was discontinued by Omega at some time in the 90s. Another thing is that Ray has never met Mike or David as they had left Omega between 7 & 9 years before Ray got there. He was not their apprentice. Ray is a tool and die engineer of over 40 years.

As far as the shafts are concerned our company recreated the Omega DPK Parabolic Tapered Shaft by plotting the Geometry on the CNC and made our taper bar for cutting our shafts on the table saw shaft cutting machine. These are the shaft we make for our cues. Yes they were made this year in my shop, and yes they resemble the Omega shafts because were are talking mathematical geometry not an opinion. As far as the pin is concerned it has the exact geometry as the Omegas because we used a Omega pin as our template by profiling the contour on a optical comparator. Before I ever saw these blanks our company has been using this fantastic shaft taper geometry and the 3/8 x 14 truncated pin as we feel it is the best combination in the business because of David Paul Kersenbrock's cue making creative genius.

Just for the record, I have not receive any PMs concerning these cues at all and I have sold 5 finished cues for an average price of $ 1900.00. Everyone of the buyers is ecstatic about their cues and love the hit, fit and finish. No one is bending anyones arm nor am I saying these cues were finished by Omega nor were the shafts made by Omega. I do agree with you that this is only an interesting back story and these cues won't ever be worth the value of the Omegas made and finished in Waconda. At an rate this is a great opportunity for a player who wants an Omega Cue to get a bargin with great playability.

I am very lucky to have learned the art of cue making from Ray and my good friend Darrin Hill. Ray has taught me the engineering and cue building techniques he aquired in the Omega Shop. All of our custom modified cue making equipment and tooling was produced from the process control procedures that Ray observed while at Omega. I love Omega Cues and since they are no longer in business we feel there is a nitch opportunity for us to produce cues that have the stiff hit playability that made Omega Cues as stand out company. When Ray first advised me about using this pin configuration with the specific parabolic shaft taper he said, "When people start to play with our cues thay will sell themselves". He was absolutely right as I have sold over 30 cues in the last year without any advertisement or website. When people come my shop in the back of my Pool Hall and ask me to build them a cue requesting a conical or coke bottle style shaft geometry with a pro or super pro tapered shaft, I tell them that they need to see another cue maker as we only use this one shaft taper. They can have the shaft any where from 13.25 mm to 12.50 mm in tip end sizing but if you buy our cue you will get this taper only. I have not lost one sale with this philosophy.

After this ebay auction is over I will take yours and Tim's advice and market these cues as Esoteric Cues made from final dimension blanks built by Omega DPK. I do appreciate you taking the time to weigh inand give me your valued opinion and suggestions concerning the marketing of the gems.

Again, thanks for your thoughts and suggestions,

Rick Geschrey

Here are few of the other cue blanks we purchased from the estate sale in Northern Illinois
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Some of these blanks have a 5 digit numbering system ending in 93 or 94 which we assume reveals year built as 1993 or 94
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The Tulip wood cue reveals the Omega Butt Flair and Omega Boxed Decor Rings. The butt flair feature was discontinued by Omega in the early to mid 1990s
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Note: The ebony cue with the silver Omega Boxed Rings is not finished. The sealer used shows up with more gloss on the ebony!
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Note: Ivory inlays within the points show 4 point star and arrow head style inlays. We also have cues with oval style inlays in the points.
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Do You Still Think These Blanks Are Not OMEGA DPK?
 
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Who built the shafts? Are they Omega/DPK shafts that were with the blanks, or were they built by someone else? What taper is on the shafts?

JMO...I just purchased a really nice John Davis true full-splice blank...a really nice one with high-grade wood. I also just purchased some very old shaft blanks that were almost at the final cut. These came from Bill McDaniel.

These extremely nice, high grade components are being completed to build my new personal playing cue. It will be a Cory Barnhart cue built with Davis/McDaniel components.

The problem AS I SEE IT with these cues is not that YOU are mis-representing them, or anything. I fully understand what you are saying. However, 5 years from now, after the cues have changed hands a couple of times, no one will be representing these as cues built from Omega/DPK blanks, they will just be calling them Omega/DPK cues, because they will be more valuable that way. The cues should be marked/ID'd in some manner so folks could easily distinguish them from full-fledged Omega/DPK cues.

Joe

Joe,

I will follow your advise and mark the cues Omega DPK Blank finished by Esoteric Cue with a date in the butt cap recess. I also think because of this unusual situation, I will create a cue description document on Esoteric Letterhead that describes the complete history and specifications concerning each specific cue.

Thank you for your input, it is appreciated. I now realize how impassioned people are about their cue collections and valuation concerning these investments. I will thread carefully in this area as not to upset any apple carts.

Thanks again,

Rick Geschrey
 
Rick,
Thank you for your professional response. Please understand that I meant no disrespect to you or Ray.

I never insinuated that they aren't great cues, nor that you and Ray are not accomplished cuemakers.

My only point is that it's not entirely accurate to market these as Omega/DPK cues.

Best of luck to you and hope you sell 'em all. Esoteric cues, that is :)

-von
 
Rick,
Thank you for your professional response. Please understand that I meant no disrespect to you or Ray.

I never insinuated that they aren't great cues, nor that you and Ray are not accomplished cuemakers.

My only point is that it's not entirely accurate to market these as Omega/DPK cues.

Best of luck to you and hope you sell 'em all. Esoteric cues, that is :)

-von

Von,

Point well taken.

Thanks,

Rick G
 
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