One-Foul vs. Two-Foul

[HawaiianEye]

You can possibly combine the two games and try and gain support from both camps. Play call shot (maybe) and allow a push out after a called safety. Allow only one or two called safeties per game and the same for push outs.

You'd lessen the safety play and BIH's and still have the push out option. After two safeties, you'd have to shoot for the pocket. Allow two way shots at all times, so kicking would be involved.

If you used up your pushes, you'd have to kick or give up BIH. Safety play would force the opponent to use up their pushes or kick for the ball. Limiting the number of safeties would encourage a strategy of using two way shots to limit your opponent's access to good position if you miss a shot. Pushing out after the break for the breaker does not count as using one of their pushes.

Best,
Mike

That may be a good game, but I'd need a caddy or somebody just to keep track of all those options before I'd know what to do. I don't think adding more things to it will make it easier for the non-pool crowd to get into or watch.

 

[SJDinPHX]

There is a delay as new posts are refreshed, I didn't see yours before I posted mine. fyi (this mean for your information) I actually thought you wrote a nice post, it's appreciated when you refrain from insulting behavior.

In case you have forgotten already..I took up for you, in another thread, and defended your right to express your (often rambling) opinions, on a myriad of unrelated subjects, that ONLY YOU are interested in..."FYI"...I am trying to "refrain from insulting behavior" toward you !..Do you have to make it so "&^$*%#!@" difficult !..(I even used to like Rodney Morris, you may have ruined him for me)

SJD

PS..Your obsession with Yoga, Karate, (or whatever you call it) and the quirky teaching's of some very STRANGE people you like to quote, make it very hard to control the aggressive 'Duck' in me ! :embarrassed2:

 

[Old Nine Baller]

Sorry, but I do have a clue. I played roll out 2 foul from 1969 to 1983. Only about 15 years worth. It is a great game to rob the suckers with. If I hooked myself, no prob, just roll out to something they had little chance of making. I was jumping balls with a full cue along with Earl, and towards the end I just about quit rolling out to hard shots and would just roll out to where I was just slightly hooked. It was like stealing. But in 1983 I introduced one foul to the Texas State Open and it spread like wildfire across the planet.

If you want the rest of the speech, just ask nicely. I might just be an older nine baller.

So you spent your time robbing suckers, good for you. I'm talking about an even game between two players who know how to play, not robbing suckers. Suckers can be robbed with any ruleset. I rarely ever got to play many suckers, I guess I wasn't as smart as you.

I don't need the rest of your speech if you were just a sucker robber. I played players.

ONB

 

[CJ Wiley]

How can we tell that you make any useful statements when shrouded by inaccuracies?

How can you make this statement about me having an obsession with karate and yoga when I've never mentioned them in a post? If I have, please post one, which of course you can't because I have never been involved in karate or yoga.

Rodney Morris the marketable pro pool player, it's not in poor taste for me to give credit where credit is due. Rodney has an incredible game, backed up by a keen sense of humor and an interesting background in Hawaii.

How can we tell that you make any useful statements when shrouded by inaccuracies?

In case you have forgotten already..I took up for you, in another thread, and defended your right to express your (often rambling) opinions, on a myriad of unrelated subjects, that ONLY YOU are interested in..."FYI"...I am trying to "refrain from insulting behavior" toward you !..Do you have to make it so "&^$*%#!@" difficult !..(I even used to like Rodney Morris, you may have ruined him for me)

SJD

PS..Your obsession with Yoga, Karate, (or whatever you call it) and the quirky teaching's of some very STRANGE people you like to quote, make it very hard to control the aggressive 'Duck' in me ! :embarrassed2:

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[CJ Wiley]

Robin and I have shared historic experiences and he's the finest example of a class a

I will assure you that Robin doesn't "rob suckers," your remarks about him are both ludicrous and unfounded.

Robin and I have shared historic experiences and he's the finest example of a class act. He and Jay Helfert were two of the lead referees at the 'Million Dollar Challenge' and I have always had a great respect for him.

Robin was one of the founders of "Texas Express Rules," and even though I have a different view for Pro pool, these rules are ideal for leagues, amateur tournaments and social gatherings.

Please, for the good of everyone, stop slandering people that have contributed the most to pool though the years. It's not fair to them or anyone that has to read your incorrigible and slanderous remarks.

So you spent your time robbing suckers, good for you. I'm talking about an even game between two players who know how to play, not robbing suckers. Suckers can be robbed with any ruleset. I rarely ever got to play many suckers, I guess I wasn't as smart as you.

I don't need the rest of your speech if you were just a sucker robber. I played players.

ONB

 

[Old Nine Baller]

So you spent your time robbing suckers, good for you. I'm talking about an even game between two players who know how to play, not robbing suckers. Suckers can be robbed with any ruleset. I rarely ever got to play many suckers, I guess I wasn't as smart as you.

I don't need the rest of your speech if you were just a sucker robber. I played players.

ONB

I will assure you that Robin doesn't "rob suckers," your remarks about him are both ludicrous and unfounded.

Robin and I have shared historic experiences and he's the finest example of a class act. He and Jay Helfert were two of the lead referees at the 'Million Dollar Challenge' and I have always had a great respect for him.

Robin was one of the founders of "Texas Express Rules," and even though I have a different view for Pro pool, these rules are ideal for leagues, amateur tournaments and social gatherings.

Please, for the good of everyone, stop slandering people that have contributed the most to pool though the years. It's not fair to them or anyone that has to read your incorrigible and slanderous remarks.

You're absolutely right CJ, I just made it up. Oh no, wait a minute, I think I read it in his post. Yep, here it is. Try growing up.

He robbed suckers and bragged about it, not that there's anything wrong with that and he probably doesn't need you to speak for him.

ONB

Sorry, but I do have a clue. I played roll out 2 foul from 1969 to 1983. Only about 15 years worth. It is a great game to rob the suckers with. If I hooked myself, no prob, just roll out to something they had little chance of making. I was jumping balls with a full cue along with Earl, and towards the end I just about quit rolling out to hard shots and would just roll out to where I was just slightly hooked. It was like stealing. But in 1983 I introduced one foul to the Texas State Open and it spread like wildfire across the planet.

If you want the rest of the speech, just ask nicely. I might just be an older nine baller.

 

[CJ Wiley]

Road Players used to call suckers "shortstops," it's just a matter of perception.

He was referring from the 1960's to 1983 PJ, pay attention. The word "sucker" is a relative term (fyi).

There's few gambling players that never robbed a so called sucker, however, these "suckers" always thought they were "small town champions" (short-stops).

Road Players used to call suckers "shortstops," it's just a matter of perception. When I first came on the forum they were calling people "short-stops," I thought it was insulting to them...who would have guessed it was actually a compliment?

How do we know you could ever even beat a "sucker"?.......or did you look around and not see any when and if you ever frequented a pool room?

You're absolutely right CJ, I just made it up. Oh no, wait a minute, I think I read it in his post. Yep, here it is. Try growing up.

He robbed suckers and bragged about it, not that there's anything wrong with that and he probably doesn't need you to speak for him.

ONB