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Well I'd like to show all my fellow Az'rs what one of our own BPG24 did to us. I ran a fair raffle in which everyone had a chance to win. Well now he has complained to paypal because he didn't like how the raffle was ran. Anyone on here that has done any type of buisness or met me in person will say I'm a stand up guy. Guycrunch even sent me an expensive cue to try and see if I liked it before I paid for it. I tried it out for a few days it wasn't what I was looking for so I had a new Moori installed on it and sent it back. How many people could you really trust to not screw you over if you did that. The only thing I did do wrong was when I went to mark paid beside one guy I wrote his name in bold print a second time by mistake. I stated earlier we'd do the raffle as soon as everyone was paid. Everyone was paid on fri night so the raffle went off on sat.

Here is the exact complaint he filed with paypal trying to get this site to ban raffles which are a fun way for all of us to sweat a little something from time to time.

From Buyer - Nathan Hogue
11/9/2008 15:01 PST

Where do I begin? First of all I have had several conversations with the seller, we will not be able to come to a resolution on our own.

This dispute will begin a much bigger investigation by Paypal, I am sure. The website www.azbilliards.com has a sub page that is their "forums" page. They hold raffles there for pool related items. They use the lottery websites to determine the winner of these raffles. If you do a little research you will see that Paypal is being used for payment on all of these transactions. I have been told recently that these raffles are illegal and the owners/moderators of the website know this and let it continue. Here is a link to the specific raffle page with many raffles that are open and already completed. Paypal is used in every one of them.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=73

there have been several raffles that have been rigged or somewhat unfair and that is why I want a refund. i was in a raffle that was not run correctly and I am not interested in losing my money this way.

Please look into this and make sure these raffles stop and refund my payment.

Thank you


Does anyone think this guy would be complaining if his number had been drawn?
 
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I read your raffle thread, and it appears you ran it fairly smooth. I myself would of made a reply on the thread stating that all participants have paid in full, and the raffle was officially on for such and such day...Its called full disclosure...I understand the frustration by both parties, but starting 3 threads on this matter is overkill, and is drawing unnecessary attention to a area of this forum that most don't support.....The thing that absolutely boggles me is the fact that this is over 8 bucks....If it was me I would refund the man 8 bucks and be over it..if you understand where I'm coming from.....
 
If he wouldn't have attacked my credibility right away I probably would have done that and refunded him his money. But he made it personal and I'm a firm believer in standing up for myself if I feel I'm right. Do you think he would be saying the raffle wasn't fair if his number was drawn. Somehow I dought he would have said no to the cue saying I should announce its the next powerball drawing.
 
the only reason I started the three threads was because I wanted everyone to read this. For all we know his actions could cause AZ to change forever in a way that could hurt us all. We don't know what this could lead to and it worries me that someone like this could mess up a great thing we have here.
 
yes and its all over 14 bucks, and your ego.....The guy was unhappy....you should of gave him his money back...no big deal....pay this guy his 14.00 and make this go away.....I will send the you the money once the the dispute is lifted...This is rediculous!!
 
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snowmon34 said:
yes and its all over 14 bucks, and your ego.....The guy was unhappy....you should of gave him his money back...no big deal....pay this guy his 14.00 and make this go away.....I will send the you the money once the the dispute is lifted...This is rediculous!!

Pimp you have two people now that are willing to pay out of their own pockets to make everyone happy. That should tell you something. Don't let your ego get in the way of what's the smart thing to do. :rolleyes:

It doesn't make him right it's about doing the smart thing.
 
Pii said:
Pimp you have two people now that are willing to pay out of their own pockets to make everyone happy. That should tell you something. Don't let your ego get in the way of what's the smart thing to do. :rolleyes:

It doesn't make him right it's about doing the smart thing.

I disagree. This ain't going to make him happy. I'll also say that every auction after should clearly say that BPG is NOT allowed to enter this raffle. As he bought up in one of his posts, it is about principles, none of which he has. It's clear as glass, and as you bought up, he wouldn't have said ANYTHING had he won.

JV
 
pimp said:
.... For all we know his actions could cause AZ to change forever in a way that could hurt us all...

I can pretty much guarantee that this will NOT hurt me whatsoever, regardless of how it all turns out.

Dave
 
BPG24 said:
Better check your paypal Pimp.........

Another dissatisfied customer pimp.....I too have filed a request for a refund from paypal. This was my first and probably last auction here...thanks for the experience.
 
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BPG24 said:
Hell no it's not dropped. neither is the other one.

THIS IS PATHETIC......

YOU ARE SERIOUSLY GOING TO GO THROUGH WITH THIS? IT'S 14 BUCKS, AND HE RAN IT HOW HE SAID HE WOULD.
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
THIS IS PATHETIC......

YOU ARE SERIOUSLY GOING TO GO THROUGH WITH THIS? IT'S 14 BUCKS, AND HE RAN IT HOW HE SAID HE WOULD.


Poorly is the nicest thing anyone should be able to say about how the raffle was run.

BTW

Do you think that what you are doing is helping or hurting the situation? Or do you even care.
 
pimp said:
Oh I've checked it and you'll get not one cent:grin-square: have a great day
:D :D :D :D :D

Saw your notes in paypal... I guess you can't afford to give us our refund. Kind of dumb to let the raffle process get removed from AZ over a mistake that you made and are not willing to correct. Glad I'm not in your shoes!
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
WAS THE DISPUTE DROPPED?

Nope...mine will be escalated. Bad experience on my 1st and only raffle...could care less if the raffling system was dismantled here on AZB.

I did make a counter offer for a partial refund if pimp wants to keep it on the low...

2 escalated disputes on one paypal account will likely raise some scrutiny to the other transactions.
 
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BPG24 said:
Poorly is the nicest thing anyone should be able to say about how the raffle was run.

BTW

Do you think that what you are doing is helping or hurting the situation? Or do you even care.

I'M NOT TRYING TO HELP OR HURT ANY SITUATION, SO I GUESS THAT MEANS I DON'T CARE.

IT'S 14 DOLLARS. YOU FILED A DISPUTE OVER 14 DOLLARS...... I'M SURPRISED THAT THE PAYPAL REPRESENTATIVE DIDN'T CALL YOU ON THE PHONE AND JUST START LAUGHING AT YOU.

ONE MORE TIME......IT'S 14 DOLLARS.
 
dfweyer said:
:D :D :D :D :D

Saw your notes in paypal... I guess you can't afford to give us our refund. Kind of dumb to let the raffle process get removed from AZ over a mistake that you made and are not willing to correct. Glad I'm not in your shoes!

HE DIDN'T MAKE A MISTAKE.

IT WAS RUN AS SOON AS THE SPOTS WERE FULL AND PAID.

YOU GUYS JUST WANT YOUR MONEY BACK BECAUSE YOU LOST.

IF YOU HAD WON, WOULD IT BE OK THAT IT WAS DONE THIS WAY?
 
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