One Pocket issue that’s really bothering me

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fjk

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Two balls on the spot, ball in hand behind the line. Besides the break, it’s the only shot that comes up exactly the same every time, and it comes up pretty frequently. I would really like to know the best shot from that position.



Issue 1: Making both balls. I have asked that question here (who’s seen it?) and lots of people said they’ve seen it. I know lots of guys that said they’ve made it. I’ve been playing One Pocket for 45 years or so, and I’ve never seen it. One time I asked a young Jim Rempe to make it; he tried about 15-20 times and only a few attempts were even close.



I recently spent a few hours trying to make it. I can double bank the back ball about 45-50% of the time. I can force the front ball in about 10-20% of the time. But because both shots are hit so differently, I cannot even come close to making both balls. Unless there’s some way of hitting that shot that I’m not aware of, I’m thinking you must need new, perfectly clean balls and new, fast, cloth stretched just right. Has this shot been made and caught on camera somewhere?



Issue 2: What’s the best shot to take from that position? I’m embarrassed to say that I don’t have a go-to shot, I do whatever I feel like on that particular day. If I’m really trying to win, I seldom try to make either ball. To me, it’s just too risky trying to control all three balls to not give up a shot should I miss. If I really want to win, I usually soft split hit the two balls, push them over by my pocket and try to put the cue on the nameplate. Not too exciting or aggressive, but it’s a low risk shot that puts pressure on your opponent (especially if you manage to stick the cue on the rail and get a little lucky on where the two balls end up).



This has Dr. Dave’s name written all over it. Where is he and how much does he charge to solve all this?

 
fjk said:
Two balls on the spot, ball in hand behind the line. Besides the break, it’s the only shot that comes up exactly the same every time, and it comes up pretty frequently. I would really like to know the best shot from that position.



Issue 1: Making both balls. I have asked that question here (who’s seen it?) and lots of people said they’ve seen it. I know lots of guys that said they’ve made it. I’ve been playing One Pocket for 45 years or so, and I’ve never seen it. One time I asked a young Jim Rempe to make it; he tried about 15-20 times and only a few attempts were even close.



I recently spent a few hours trying to make it. I can double bank the back ball about 45-50% of the time. I can force the front ball in about 10-20% of the time. But because both shots are hit so differently, I cannot even come close to making both balls. Unless there’s some way of hitting that shot that I’m not aware of, I’m thinking you must need new, perfectly clean balls and new, fast, cloth stretched just right. Has this shot been made and caught on camera somewhere?



Issue 2: What’s the best shot to take from that position? I’m embarrassed to say that I don’t have a go-to shot, I do whatever I feel like on that particular day. If I’m really trying to win, I seldom try to make either ball. To me, it’s just too risky trying to control all three balls to not give up a shot should I miss. If I really want to win, I usually soft split hit the two balls, push them over by my pocket and try to put the cue on the nameplate. Not too exciting or aggressive, but it’s a low risk shot that puts pressure on your opponent (especially if you manage to stick the cue on the rail and get a little lucky on where the two balls end up).



This has Dr. Dave’s name written all over it. Where is he and how much does he charge to solve all this?
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i have seen both balls made ... was made against me a few years ago by and older player. i think it was luck, but i do know its possible. i have made the spotted ball in the corner pocket and also you can make the second ball in the corner pocket with double bank ... done this many times

also i think when both balls were made it was not intentional it was just a bonus.

i think it is environment conditions. try in heavy humid or low humid or dry and see if the results are different. also try with dirty balls. could be increased throw on the back ball that creates the angle for the double bank. example you wouldnt want the contact points between the balls to be slick
 
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Unless I'm playing a toad, I almost always start with CB about on my side of the table and glance the head ball (bout a half/quarter ball hit of the opponent's side of head ball).

Pretty effective and easy to execute.

Like ta see it here ya go.

Pic1 is CB farther from center
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xX-Wizard-Xx said:
i have seen both balls made ... was made against me a few years ago by and older player. i think it was luck, but i do know its possible. i have made the spotted ball in the corner pocket and also you can make the second ball in the corner pocket with double bank ... done this many times

also i think when both balls were made it was not intentional it was just a bonus.

i think it is environment conditions. try in heavy humid or low humid or dry and see if the results are different. also try with dirty balls. could be increased throw on the back ball that creates the angle for the double bank. example you wouldnt want the contact points between the balls to be slick
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Were you playing me🤣
I've shot that shot hundreds of times in games and practice. I've made both maybe a handful of times. My guess is that there might be a speck of chalk giving the back ball a little extra spin. I made the front ball in a California tournament against a good player. I always go for the front ball, seems a little more consistent for me. I've also sold out a bunch of times but I do like the shot. Some guys shoot for the bottom ball and sent the CB three rails, I'm just not good at that one. Sometimes I one rail the bottom ball and play two rail shape on the head ball.
 
Black-Balled said:
Unless I'm playing a toad, I almost always start with CB about on my side of the table and glance the head ball (bout a half/quarter ball hit of the opponent's side of head ball).

Pretty effective and easy to execute.

Like ta see it here ya go.

Pic1 is CB farther from center
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Come on man, go for it🤣
How you doing Walter? I've practiced a little 3C since last time we played.
 
jtompilot said:
Were you playing me🤣
I've shot that shot hundreds of times in games and practice. I've made both maybe a handful of times. My guess is that there might be a speck of chalk giving the back ball a little extra spin. I made the front ball in a California tournament against a good player. I always go for the front ball, seems a little more consistent for me. I've also sold out a bunch of times but I do like the shot. Some guys shoot for the bottom ball and sent the CB three rails, I'm just not good at that one. Sometimes I one rail the bottom ball and play two rail shape on the head ball.
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no.. the gentleman i was playing passed away a couple years ago.

i think you are right ... dirty balls or smudge of some sort causes the shot to work. nothing there to make it a shot to shoot for both balls.

its a fluke, but when it happens just rub your opponents face in it hahah
 
fjk said:
Two balls on the spot, ball in hand behind the line. Besides the break, it’s the only shot that comes up exactly the same every time, and it comes up pretty frequently. I would really like to know the best shot from that position.



Issue 1: Making both balls. I have asked that question here (who’s seen it?) and lots of people said they’ve seen it. I know lots of guys that said they’ve made it. I’ve been playing One Pocket for 45 years or so, and I’ve never seen it. One time I asked a young Jim Rempe to make it; he tried about 15-20 times and only a few attempts were even close.



I recently spent a few hours trying to make it. I can double bank the back ball about 45-50% of the time. I can force the front ball in about 10-20% of the time. But because both shots are hit so differently, I cannot even come close to making both balls. Unless there’s some way of hitting that shot that I’m not aware of, I’m thinking you must need new, perfectly clean balls and new, fast, cloth stretched just right. Has this shot been made and caught on camera somewhere?



Issue 2: What’s the best shot to take from that position? I’m embarrassed to say that I don’t have a go-to shot, I do whatever I feel like on that particular day. If I’m really trying to win, I seldom try to make either ball. To me, it’s just too risky trying to control all three balls to not give up a shot should I miss. If I really want to win, I usually soft split hit the two balls, push them over by my pocket and try to put the cue on the nameplate. Not too exciting or aggressive, but it’s a low risk shot that puts pressure on your opponent (especially if you manage to stick the cue on the rail and get a little lucky on where the two balls end up).



This has Dr. Dave’s name written all over it. Where is he and how much does he charge to solve all this?
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There's no solving it. I tend to go for the front ball more when I'm playing a champion, I feel I'll end up getting out moved or out banked by a superior player. Everyone's skill set is different so there's no correct answer other than don't miss🤣
 
xX-Wizard-Xx said:
no.. the gentleman i was playing passed away a couple years ago.

i think you are right ... dirty balls or smudge of some sort causes the shot to work. nothing there to make it a shot to shoot for both balls.

its a fluke, but when it happens just rub your opponents face in it hahah
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If you make the front ball there's a 90% chance of an easy shot on the second ball.
 
Making both; This depends on how much the back ball throws for the two-rail bank. That depends on the surfaces of the balls. Clean will throw less than dirty, usually. It's hard but not impossible to control that but don't get caught putting chalk on the object balls. :devilish:

What should your go-to be? If you can't draw the cue ball back from the head ball and leave it within about 9 inches of the intended spot on the head rail you don't have the draw skill to play the front ball reliably. And frozen to the head rail should be your goal. Or, if you're feeling frisky, you can play position on the second ball and only draw to the headstring.
 
fjk said:
Two balls on the spot, ball in hand behind the line. Besides the break, it’s the only shot that comes up exactly the same every time, and it comes up pretty frequently. I would really like to know the best shot from that position.



Issue 1: Making both balls. I have asked that question here (who’s seen it?) and lots of people said they’ve seen it. I know lots of guys that said they’ve made it. I’ve been playing One Pocket for 45 years or so, and I’ve never seen it. One time I asked a young Jim Rempe to make it; he tried about 15-20 times and only a few attempts were even close.



I recently spent a few hours trying to make it. I can double bank the back ball about 45-50% of the time. I can force the front ball in about 10-20% of the time. But because both shots are hit so differently, I cannot even come close to making both balls. Unless there’s some way of hitting that shot that I’m not aware of, I’m thinking you must need new, perfectly clean balls and new, fast, cloth stretched just right. Has this shot been made and caught on camera somewhere?



Issue 2: What’s the best shot to take from that position? I’m embarrassed to say that I don’t have a go-to shot, I do whatever I feel like on that particular day. If I’m really trying to win, I seldom try to make either ball. To me, it’s just too risky trying to control all three balls to not give up a shot should I miss. If I really want to win, I usually soft split hit the two balls, push them over by my pocket and try to put the cue on the nameplate. Not too exciting or aggressive, but it’s a low risk shot that puts pressure on your opponent (especially if you manage to stick the cue on the rail and get a little lucky on where the two balls end up).



This has Dr. Dave’s name written all over it. Where is he and how much does he charge to solve all this?
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Roll over the top. Cueball on the foot rail.
 
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Black-Balled said:
I find double caroms that travel 16+ft a tad... fraught with peril.
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Set it up and try it. You'd be surprised how easy it is. You have to hit it really, really bad to give anything up. If you hit it decent / normal, your opponent has to work a little to get out of it (there's nothing there offensively for him). About 25% of the time, the two balls line up and you stick the cue on the rail, now your opponent is in a jam.

Let me know if you ever win money on that shot...I'll send you my PayPal address :)
 
fjk said:
Set it up and try it. You'd be surprised how easy it is. You have to hit it really, really bad to give anything up. If you hit it decent / normal, your opponent has to work a little to get out of it (there's nothing there offensively for him). About 25% of the time, the two balls line up and you stick the cue on the rail, now your opponent is in a jam.

Let me know if you ever win money on that shot...I'll send you my PayPal address :)
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I hear you and would choose my shot every time, if I was playing for anything important.

Your shot has a good bit of faith needed and yeah, sometimes you gotta trust your knowledge and execution.

I will admit I am very comfortable shooting a very similar shot, the one where there are multiple balls on the spot line and you go side->end rails out of your opponent's corner to carom off the line, pushing all the balls toward your side and cb to end rail.

people usedta hafta pay fa dis stuff!
 
It depends.

On: the score; the table conditions; who you're playing; how you're playing.

I think if you need one, you play safe and roll the CB to the end rail.

You need two, you play the Cliff Joyner and bank the second ball off the end rail, or you bank the second ball off the side rail and swing around the table for the udder one.

If the table is playing pretty fast you consider the first ball straight into the pocket.

You're the dog you roll the CB to the end rail. You're the favorite and are stealing... it doesn't matter, lol.

Lou Figueroa
YMMV
 
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