My folks retired and moved here in 1976, I've been here ever since. When did you leave?
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My folks retired and moved here in 1976, I've been here ever since. When did you leave?
If you can find them on Ebay and can afford them, "Winning One Pocket" and "Shots, Moves, and Strategies" are essential reading for aspiring One Pocket players.
It's a great game, arguably the best on the table.
This is the line that prompted my comment about honorable players. There is nothing honorable about playing for pocket "A", making a ball instead in pocket "B" and then claiming you were shooting for pocket "B" all along.
I tried to make two points here but apparently I wasn't very clear. I'll try again.
Point #1, only the very greenest of one pocket players could be fooled by the breaker exhibiting the behavior described above.
Point #2, One pocket isn't a game for beginners.
Congratulations with your interest in the best poolgame possible.
If you want to improve your one-pocket skills I have the following advice for you.
1) Read, study and memorize as much information as possible from onepocket.org
2) Buy DVD's from Accu-stats. I recommend especially the matches between Alex Pagulayan - Efren Reyes from DCC, and also Efren Reyes - Grady Mathews from years ago.
3) Buy one-pocket books.
4) Practice spot-shots
If you want to improve your one-pocket skills I have the following advice for you.
1) Read, study and memorize as much information as possible from onepocket.org
2) Buy DVD's from Accu-stats. I recommend especially the matches between Alex Pagulayan - Efren Reyes from DCC, and also Efren Reyes - Grady Mathews from years ago.
3) Buy one-pocket books.
4) Practice spot-shots
Good advice roy, thanks for the direction.
I understand what you said, i just don't agree with how it was stated. Point 1- corey deuel isn't a rookie or dishonorable, yet he breaks a rack hard. Without calling the pocket, you wouldn't have a clue as to where he was playing a ball.
Point 2- It isn't for you to say who plays what game at any time. This kind of thinking is what kills this discipline. I believe had i had someone to show me this game early on, i would be twice the player i am now. It is as good a game as any to learn with, and i'm finding it's better than most.While i agree this is an elite game when played at a high level, nobody starts at a high level.
Point 3- Thank you for trying to help,really. I hope you continue to offer opinions to others as well as myself. As for honor, ability, and choices concerning one's game--let those dogs sleep. I do not pretend to know you in the least, please don't question my honor as you don't know me either.
Kiss
Ask your opponent which pocket they are taking, and declare your pocket when breaking. That way, everything is kept simple.
The rules in 1 Pocket, the last I knew, say the breaker is to declare a corner pocket.
And, BTW, did you know that tapping the balls in the rack in Texas Express 9 ball is a foul?
The point is, if you are clear with the rules, everything that pops up will not be an argument later on.
Ask your opponent which pocket they are taking, and declare your pocket when breaking. That way, everything is kept simple.
The rules in 1 Pocket, the last I knew, say the breaker is to declare a corner pocket.
And, BTW, did you know that tapping the balls in the rack in Texas Express 9 ball is a foul?
The point is, if you are clear with the rules, everything that pops up will not be an argument later on.
Wolf.........As has been already said...watch a lot of One Pocket videos....but let me add, that if I was to recommend just one player's matches to watch out of all of the top players, it would be Cliff Joiner....
Cliff is (and more specifically was) a tremendous One Pocket player, as good as it gets and more, in all aspects of the game....and his steady focused demeanor at the table, is something to emulate as well.
- Ghost
Cliff is (and more specifically was) a tremendous One Pocket player, as good as it gets and more, in all aspects of the game....and his steady focused demeanor at the table, is something to emulate as well.
- Ghost
I understand what you said, i just don't agree with how it was stated. Point 1- corey deuel isn't a rookie or dishonorable, yet he breaks a rack hard. Without calling the pocket, you wouldn't have a clue as to where he was playing a ball.
Point 2- It isn't for you to say who plays what game at any time. This kind of thinking is what kills this discipline. I believe had i had someone to show me this game early on, i would be twice the player i am now. It is as good a game as any to learn with, and i'm finding it's better than most.While i agree this is an elite game when played at a high level, nobody starts at a high level.
Point 3- Thank you for trying to help,really. I hope you continue to offer opinions to others as well as myself. As for honor, ability, and choices concerning one's game--let those dogs sleep. I do not pretend to know you in the least, please don't question my honor as you don't know me either.
I don't know you or John Biddle, but after reading this thread I don't think Mr. Biddle was out of line in his response. Most people that responded didn't understand that you were talking about a hard break shot since it's pretty basic to the game of one pocket to break softly toward one's pocket.
I think the fact that you were even asking about a smash break and the peculiar way you asked about whether the game was call shot or not made it appear to him that you were a beginer player. I agree with him that one pocket shouldn't be played by beginer players, they just don't have the skills to get anything out of it. You have to be able to maniupuate the cue ball to some degree at least.
When Corey broke hard in one pocket, he doesn't anymore, he indicated his pocket ahead of time. Probably because he was breaking from the same side as the pocket he chose.
Anyway, I agree with many that responded that one pocket is the best game played on a pool table. I hope you find someone to play against up there. If you ever come through Denver, look me up and I'll play you if my schedule allows. It's the only game I look forward to playing anymore.
And when he forgot to call it, he had to set and watch his opponent run out
I have a match from DCC where this happend. I think he was playing Nevel if Im not mistaken. There were LOTS of fireworks (great shots, not tempers) in that match!
Alex, i wasn't speaking of corey originally-someone else mentioned him. After looking at rules for one pocket, the call/no call from the break wasn't clear, hence the question. If you go through some of the posts, there are differing opinions. Having a clear cut answer is what i was driving towards, not a scrum. I am hungry to learn as much as i can, in all disciplines of pool. If i know the rules, i can't get burned by the rules. As for playing, if i make it to denver any time soon i'd love to play. I have an aunt in denver, it may be time for a visit.
I think there may have been some confusion on some of your questions. When you asked about calling a ball we assumed you meant in general, not on the break. This may have been assumed because most (read almost all) one pocket players use the same break, or variation of the same break. And where you break from determines your pocket unless called otherwise.
Take a look at onepocket.org and check out the rules. Keep in mind the rules at that site are a little different than the ones in the BCA book, but if your looking for general knowledge it should get you started.
Take a look at onepocket.org and check out the rules. Keep in mind the rules at that site are a little different than the ones in the BCA book, but if your looking for general knowledge it should get you started.
Also, keep in mind that rules for matching up {money games} tend to be a bit different, both in 9 ball and One Pocket.
Well, yes, but there are traditions at 1P that are not well-covered in some sets of rules. Not all players go by http://www.onepocket.org/one_pocket_pool_rules.htm even though they should. Also see both the rules and regulations (two different documents) on www.wpa-pool.com for the World Standardized Rules. (Some of the references to the WSR on 1P.org are out of date.)
You get the pocket opposite the side you break from unless you say otherwise beforehand, and your opponent gets the other corner pocket.
Cue ball fouls only. In some tournaments, if a player moves multiple object balls by clumsiness, it is a foul and/or loss of game.
Use coins to mark balls owed.
Never touch your opponent's pocketed balls.
If a ball has not been spotted when it was supposed to have been spotted, an earnest conversation may result. Some play that if you forget to have your opponent spot an owed ball, the debt is forgiven. A much better way is given at 1P.org. I think Eddie Robin recommends that each player should have one full turn at the table after the discovery of a lost ball before it is spotted.
In general, standing near the table (rather than remaining seated) when you are not shooting is more accepted at one pocket than at other games, especially during long safety battles.
Jump shots are a standard but rare part of one pocket. Jump cues generally are not.
As mentioned on 1P.org, some play that driving an object ball off the table is not a foul. Since it is sometimes a standard play to do so, it's good to clear up the rule before the shot.
Good advice (spot shots are more common in 1P than in other games).
Another similar situation is several spotted balls. I like a drill I made up for myself (it may be a commonly known drill for all I know): spot as many balls as you like (you can fit up to 11 before running into the foot rail, but it's probably not worth the effort to practice more than 6 or 8), then start shooting them from either side straight into the far corner pocket, getting shape for the next ball.
Next try the same thing, but shooting for the nearest corner pocket (banking the balls). Or shoot them straight in until they won't go any more (you can shoot the 5th spotted ball straight in, and maybe the 4th with just the right angle and some spin to throw it), and then bank the remainder into the near corner pocket.
Good luck. We need more 1P threads here.
pj
chgo
All excellent advice! Bob, maybe i should just come live with you for a month?!? I don't eat much, and i'll sleep under the table!
Patrick, we need a freakin one pocket forum here, let alone more threads. jmo
I think the best thing i can do is watch for a 1pocket tourney and enter it. Nothing like jumpin into cold water with both feet.
Patrick, we need a freakin one pocket forum here, let alone more threads. jmo
I think the best thing i can do is watch for a 1pocket tourney and enter it. Nothing like jumpin into cold water with both feet.
Alex Kanapilly got this essentially correct in his post, but I thought this warranted one more reply from me directly.
First off, I didn't (and don't) accuse you of being dishonorable. I said that the behavior described was dishonorable. I stand by that.
Second, I admit that I had never heard of a hard break in One Pocket by anyone other than a beginner. Corey Deuel using it was news to me. It was apparently news to you also, so let's not use that to confuse this issue any further, OK? And if he forgot to call his pocket in advance he got called on it.
Lastly, while I do not think One Pocket is an appropriate game for beginners, I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with any pool player playing any game they want.