One Pocket Rule Question

[Drew]

look, i highly disagree with this.

if me and my opponent need one, and ive totally outmoved him and have a ball hanging in my hole and the other ball (only 2 balls on the table, handicapped game) is VERY near my hanger.... then the guy knocks my hanger in, billiards the ball near my hole into his hole and wins the game???? that is not right. at the very least it should be a replay of the game. the score is even.... why would it not be a replay. i believe this is a very bad rule, prove me otherwise.

Well, if you supposedly won the chess game and he just got lucky, you should have no problem posting up and playing again. Then again, you were both on the hill before he made his shot. So you probably didn't work him as well as you thought.

 

[1pocket]

It's actually a very old rule!

The way this rule reads in the "Official Rules" on OnePocket.org...

In the event that a player pockets both their own game winning ball, and their opponent’s game winning ball, both on the same legal stroke, then the shooting player wins. There are no ‘ties’, and it does not matter which ball drops first, as long as they both drop as a result of the same stroke.

... is very similar to the same rule used by the Jansco Brothers at Johnston City (obviously in the back room -- they weren't using handicaps in their tournaments). The rules that the Jansco's used were published in the early 60's both in the National Billiard News, and in Fat's rule book. Both of those publications predate the first BCA publication of One Pocket rules. Of course the BCA rules have never accurately reflected the way One Pocket players actually play

 

[jay helfert]

The way this rule reads in the "Official Rules" on OnePocket.org...



... is very similar to the same rule used by the Jansco Brothers at Johnston City (obviously in the back room -- they weren't using handicaps in their tournaments). The rules that the Jansco's used were published in the early 60's both in the National Billiard News, and in Fat's rule book. Both of those publications predate the first BCA publication of One Pocket rules. Of course the BCA rules have never accurately reflected the way One Pocket players actually play

This exact situation has come up several times in gambling games that I know of. Ronnie used to give several top players 8-7 and quite often it came down to the last two balls. Whoever made their "out" ball won the game, regardless of what happened to the other ball on the table. Most of the time the "out" ball went in first and the path of the cue ball took it into the remaining ball, and then pocketed it as well.

 

[JMB]

IMO, the shooter is the winner. There should never be a tie in pool. Makes me wanna retch just thinking about it.

There are ties in Rotation pool - - 120 points, 61 to win. Oops just thought about Cribbage pool, also ties (8 15s) any others?

 

[Samiel]

enzo - So what if there's a clean shot (let's say something close to a spot shot) for your opponent and you have one dead stuck in your hole and your opponent shoots his shot dead in and still makes your ball. Would you still say you should have won the game? ...or let's say he tried to get your ball out of your hole and made his ball and your ball at the same time.

There's a luck factor in one pocket and even if you out-move your opponent they can still get lucky and win.

 

[cincyman]

look, i highly disagree with this.

if me and my opponent need one, and ive totally outmoved him and have a ball hanging in my hole and the other ball (only 2 balls on the table, handicapped game) is VERY near my hanger.... then the guy knocks my hanger in, billiards the ball near my hole into his hole and wins the game???? that is not right. at the very least it should be a replay of the game. the score is even.... why would it not be a replay. i believe this is a very bad rule, prove me otherwise.

If you are saying that, then what would the difference be if that very same situation came up and--when you made my hanger you didn't make yours but instead hung it very deep in the hole and corner hooked me on my own pocket.
Now i outmoved you the whole game and now i am stuck trying to kick your last ball in and scratch just to have a chance to win the game --it is the same situation , Intent doesn't matter in one pocket only results.

 

[pdcue]

enzo sez:

prove otherwise
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Well, I was going to keep my trap shut till you started
to lecture people.

Not just wrong, but, in a word, dead wrong - OK, that's two words.

I hear this all the time - I call it the "but I DESERVED to win plea".
Pool players would never seem to tire of concocting pointless examples
of how some rule is unfair to them

Rules are, and only should be, impartial, indifferent, unsympathetic.

It doesn't matter who got lucky, who is smarter, who came back from
a mile behind.
How one arrived at the situation in question is NEVER considered
in rules.

Baseball, Basketball, Chess, tiddlewinks, horseshoes, Gladiator combat -
can you cite a single instance where the rules favor one party based
on merit?

BTW - anybody ever met a pool player who thought
he deserved to loose? ...I didn't think so.

Dale<callin' 'em like I sees 'em>