One pocket Shot - lucky flyer or???

dirtypool40

dirtypool40

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Ok, I take it as a given that I am NOT a 1P player.

I horse around once every couple weeks and let the old guys in the room beat on me and punish me for being so "creative".... ok, overly aggressive.

This situation came up. My hole is the bottom left and I am up 6-2.

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My Opponent has left me where I can only see the 2, and of course I am loathe to drive balls away from my hole, after I have a lead, and so carefully gathered them.

I got a wild hair, call it creative or too aggressive, but I kicked at the 11 to knock it towards my hole like so...

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I thought about it and from the angle I was kicking, I figure to knock the ball towards my hole AT LEAST 3-1 versus kicking down the rail (that's hard to do).

I could hit it going in, or rail first, or even way too fat and any of those leads to my side of the table at worst.

And with the balls on my side, I figure it takes a bit of a bad roll to sell out.

BUT!! As I said, I am NOT a 1P player.

Was this a flyer or a good, calculated risk?
 
I can see why this would look appealing, but if you miss the 11, or hit it and it doesn't pocket, all the balls you worked so hard on gathering are going to get knocked away from your pocket when he gets up to the table. I guess it depends on the person you're playing and how aggressive they can be.
 
Your up 6-2 and in a dominate position. Why take a chance?

The last thing you need to be doing is bringing more balls downtable into play for him. Thats supposed to be his job.
 
frankncali said:
Your up 6-2 and in a dominate position. Why take a chance?

The last thing you need to be doing is bringing more balls downtable into play for him. Thats supposed to be his job.
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DOH!!

good point. LOL

Again, prima facia evidence that I am NOT a 1P player, more like a victim, with enough sense not to gamble on 1P. :grinning-moose:
 
What actually happened...

Here's how it played out...

I kicked the 11, and probably hit it better than I could 1 our of 20 times.

I made the 11 off the 2, which cleared the way for the 5, and I won the game.

I know I probably got away with one, but, what the hell, it was free, I was being creative... no loss, and a slight hero (or dummy) story.

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If I'm up 6-2, I'm playing the score.

You don't need to bring balls downtable. He does.

I'm locking him behind the 6.

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dirtypool40 said:
Ok, I take it as a given that I am NOT a 1P player.

I thought about it and from the angle I was kicking, I figure to knock the ball towards my hole AT LEAST 3-1 versus kicking down the rail (that's hard to do).

I could hit it going in, or rail first, or even way too fat and any of those leads to my side of the table at worst.

And with the balls on my side, I figure it takes a bit of a bad roll to sell out.

BUT!! As I said, I am NOT a 1P player.

Was this a flyer or a good, calculated risk?
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If you're just fooling around/playing very cheap and you want give that kick shot a whirl, that's ok....

But if you're in a serious One Pocket game, and you have that lead, then you should shoot TX Poolnut's shot.....and you want to strive to freeze him in the middle of the underside of the 6 - if you get him right there, he'll be trapped with no available safety - being faced with a pocket scratch in both directions off of the bottom of the 6.


- Ghost
 
1 Pocket Ghost said:
... then you should shoot TX Poolnut's shot....
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Well, maybe, but when I try that shot, the 2 ball rolls over to where the 6-2 combo is dead on a bank to his pocket and the 6 is dead off the 2 on a carom, also into his pocket.

Also, I don't like Pat Johnson's first shot because if the position turns out exactly as shown (or maybe a hair lower), my opponent can shoot the 5 into the 6 and get a ball in his pocket without any danger. It is a free shot. On Pat's shot, I think you don't want the cue ball to come below the side pocket, but if you leave it up there, it's an easy safe to hit the 5 and freeze to the 2 or 6.

In a real game, the benefit of kicking in the 11 is that it can unhinge your opponent. It might get him to raise the bet, too, if that's what you're after.

In that position, I might shoot the ticky under the 6. I think it leaves no bank and has a chance to move the 2 towards the side cushion so your opponent can't go up-table so easily. The cue ball wants to be on your opponent's side cushion half a diamond from the corner. The ticky depends a lot on exactly how the 6 is sitting.
 
The simple way out

I would just feather the 2 or the 6 and leave the cue between the 6 and the end rail, preferrably frozen to the 6. If you play one pocket long enough, you will lose your share of games kicking at the 11 ball. What if you hit it full and send if close to your opponents pocket where he can make it and get over for shape on your side of the pack.
 
Like I know what I'm talking about...

TX Poolnut said:
I'm locking him behind the 6.
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As it stands none of the balls go to his pocket except the 11 and the 5/10 combo. Doesn't hiding under the 6 leave him in position to shoot into the 6 and the stack, opening up the clusters, putting balls into play for him, even moving them to his side?

I'm thinking I want to preserve that stack as-is by putting some distance between him and it.

But what do I know?

pj
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Bob Jewett said:
Well, maybe, but when I try that shot, the 2 ball rolls over to where the 6-2 combo is dead on a bank to his pocket and the 6 is dead off the 2 on a carom, also into his pocket.
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Well, that would mean then....that you didn't hit it well, or you didn't have the balls set up as displayed in the wei layout.




Patrick Johnson said:
As it stands none of the balls go to his pocket except the 11 and the 5/10 combo. Doesn't hiding under the 6 leave him in position to shoot into the 6 and the stack, opening up the clusters, putting balls into play for him, even moving them to his side?
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No.........If you leave him where I advised in my previous post, "frozen in the middle of the underside of the 6", he is not facing the cluster and can't move them....


Patrick Johnson said:
I'm thinking I want to preserve that stack as-is by putting some distance between him and it.

But what do I know?

pj
chgo
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And no again......You're ahead 6 to 2 - you don't need the stack - you play the score when playing serious One Pocket ( as I've told you many times during our One Pocket lesson sessions...:rolleyes: ) - you are to be very happy if he were to move the entire cluster of balls down to the bottom rail.



- 1PGhost
 
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Me:I'm thinking I want to preserve that stack as-is by putting some distance between him and it.
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Casper:
You're ahead 6 to 2 - you don't need the stack
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With all due humility, Sensei, don't I need it to stay as it is, with all the balls tied up and out of play (and not on my opponent's side)? That's why I want to make it hard on my opponent to hit them effectively.

you play the score when playing serious One Pocket ( as I've told you many times during our One Pocket lesson sessions... )
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Of course, Sensei, but not everybody can hit that shot so the CB is frozen against the 6 at just the right angle like you can.

you are to be very happy if he were to move the entire cluster of balls down to the bottom rail.
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If you say I'm happy, then of course I'm happy, Sensei. But that's not what I want to protect against. I want to protect against letting him open those balls up while they're still near the foot pockets.

pj <- Grasshopper
chgo
 
I'm counting to 10

Patrick Johnson said:
With all due humility, Sensei, don't I need it to stay as it is, with all the balls tied up and out of play (and not on my opponent's side)? That's why I want to make it hard on my opponent to hit them effectively.



Of course, Sensei, but not everybody can hit that shot so the CB is frozen against the 6 at just the right angle like you can.



If you say I'm happy, then of course I'm happy, Sensei. But that's not what I want to protect against. I want to protect against letting him open those balls up while they're still near the foot pockets.

pj <- Grasshopper
chgo
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It can be very trying, having one of the most infamous CONTRARIANS...:eek:...of the various past and present pool/billiard forums as a One Pocket student......:rolleyes:


- 1PGhost
 
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